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    Spill Your Secrets, a GUEST POST by Ann H.

    December 26th, 2007 by Rose Rosetree

    The following Guest Post by Ann has been adapted from a previous comment. I hope you’ll want to respond by sharing your perspective about “The Secret.” Maybe you’ll also wish to share a secret or two of your own. Another option is to use Deeper Perception to read Joe Vitale, of “Secret” fame.

    There’s definitely nothing wrong with being a beginner and in fact, that’s one of the greatest lessons I’ve learned from Sonia Choquette. To acknowledge and embrace being a beginner. It might take a while to attract the best teachers, but each one along the way teaches me something valuable, even if it’s having the courage to leave them!

     

    I’ve been pondering this and the various comments in blog-land about “The Secret” that have a decidedly negative cast to them…which is also curious to me. I think that sometimes a major shift in consciousness can be jump-started or introduced by a fairly flashy person, movie, book, phenomenon….to me, it’s just a jumping off point for the process of growth and discernment. That’s why the negativity I’m picking up around The Secret is puzzling. I actually think it’s been a pretty fascinating phenomenon and no more or less harmful than anything else lately that’s passed into mass consciousness. I think that there will always be a ‘least common denominator’ effect.

     

    I’m relating it, too, to the studies I’ve done with Sonia. I noticed lots of what I call  ‘tourists’

     at workshops….enjoying the contact high, but never seeming to really dig in and make significant changes. Which was fine. Some will, some won’t. I decided to go for it and embrace some very new, different and exciting ways of thinking and being in the world, not the least of which has been working with the principles of creative manifestation and the Law of Attraction….and having loads of fun along the way.  I’d already studied them a bit with Sonia by the time The Secret came out and then have been exploring various nuances that the movie doesn’t bring up. But as a vehicle to get people to think about different ways to use their brainpower, I think it’s great. Why throw the baby out with the bathwater? There will be lots of folks who try to play with it and will get disappointed and leave it at that, which I think is pretty normal and actually a typical American response. But for those who want to dig deeper, there are nuggets in there to chew on. 

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    15 Comments on “Spill Your Secrets, a GUEST POST by Ann H.”

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    Karin said:

    I have never heard of this guy, but I looked at his blog and noted that he is unusually decorated for his age of 53:

    -A red thread band around his wrist, signifying he’s a guru-hopper of the Indian type, maybe a Sai Baba follower since he won’t spend his money on minor figures.

    I found the following on read wrist bands on the internet:
    “Let the body be the Brahmin, and let the mind be the loin cloth; let spiritual wisdom be the sacred thread, and meditation the ceremonial ring. I seek the Name of the Lord and His Praise as my cleansing bath. By Guru’s Grace, I am absorbed into Waheguru.”

    -Wearing a gold ring on his index finger (authority), showing that he’s of the demonstrative kind, wanting to inform the world about his unusual personality and authority.

    -Wearing a purple shirt, again showing how unusual he is, and how spiritual at the same time.

    -His face reminds me more of Danny De Vito and the more dreaded Italian clans.

    December 26th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
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    Anita said:

    Hi Ann,

    I understand what you are saying, but I have to admit that I have mixed feelings about “The Secret.” Mostly because I think it took some very powerful metaphysical principles and watered them down. Also, the point of “The Secret” wasn’t to encourage more of people’s materialism and manifesting it through the Law of Attraction, but getting people to see/understand that everything we think and do influences everything in our lives.

    What has happened with “The Secret,” for many people, is that they now believe that if they think it, it will just arrive. No work is necessary, they just have to wait for the goodies to arrive.

    I know many people who want to meet that special someone or want more authentic friendships in their lives. But those same people just think those people and relationships are going to arrive on their doorstep, wrapped in a pretty package with a bow. The people I know who really succeeded were the ones who got out there and put their profiles up on Match.com or eHarmony, went to mixers or joined book clubs, and put themselves out there, over and over again.

    The other piece I would add that doesn’t have to do with “The Secret” but with a workshop I attended is that sometimes the instructors or the workshops can deliberately or inadvertently promote a cult-like worship or following. The more you try to unravel it or understand it, the more caught up in it you get and the more tangled up you get in the web. I also think back to the ridiculous extremes that some people took the “rebirthing” process in order to heal childhood wounds and the several deaths that occurred because of suffocation and aspiration (people dying because they choked on their own vomit).

    Yes, I realize that this is not the fault of the people who brought these ideas to the public but rather an indication that the public needs to become more discerning. Nevertheless, if the public jumps on something with such full force, then it’s worth further investigation. The general public hasn’t reacted to Abraham Hicks with the same degree of hysteria, nor do you see little children waving around wands, all trying to be the next Harry Potter or Hermione.

    But there are many many people out there who are disappointed because they read or saw “The Secret” and now wonder why all their dreams haven’t come true, why they don’t have 10 mansions and 20 fancy cars.

    December 26th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
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    Anita said:

    My secret to success? Hard work. Roll up your sleeves and put in the hours.

    December 26th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
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    Melanie said:

    It’s funny that you posted a picture if Joe Vitale, Ann – I was just going to him to illustrate a comment to your last post!

    I agree that there are stages to learning and, as Anita mentioned in a previous posts’ comment, we often can’t get what we need out of the “super advanced” option until we’re ready for it… meaning we’ve often gone through more “user-friendly,” “out-of-the-box” solutions first.

    I think Joe Vitale illustrates this well. He’s very suave about marketing, which made me distrust him initially. But after reading and letting your post sink in, I can see that he has a place.

    In each of his books, he adds something new and even occasionally contradicts his previous teachings – AND he fully admits this. He publishes books that illustrate his own journey. Does he change his mind? Sure! Is he infallible? No! But you’re right – people can still learn from him and perhaps even have guidance along the way AS they grow.

    December 26th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
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    Lisa said:

    Ann, interesting post. I’ve joined many a forum online discussing “The Secret” and found similar “tourists”. It’s interesting to me that Wayne Dyer was speaking about this 30 years ago (which is where I heard it – I started listening to him about 2003) and I think each time the concept comes around, it’s stepped down just a bit more so that more people can “get it”.

    I am not a fan of the way it’s used to attract more “stuff” (i.e. material goods) but I trust that those who need to get it on a higher level will and those who are not yet ready for the teachings (and willing to look a bit deeper into it) will allow it to float through.

    Nice post – thank you for your thoughts.

    December 26th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
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    Ryan said:

    I agree that the advent of The Secret is positive overall. Even though the sensationalism is more than I prefer to see, it gets other peope introduced to the Law of Attraction. Unfortunately, most people do not realize that the basics of the Law of Attraction are easy to learn, but mastering it requires a fair amount of effort and a paradigm shift for most people. A major reason why fully mastering the Law of Attraction can be difficult is that most teachers of it never mention things such as soul gifts (or lack thereof), soul age, life contracts, (sometimes very) hidden beliefs, and karmic debt.

    I don’t see the Law of Attraction fading into the background any time soon, and watching how its place in mainstream life changes through the upcoming years will be interesting, so people who tried it and fell off the bandwagon might come back eventually. The Steve Pavlina forums are a great place to see people discussing the Law of Attraction, especially the Intention-Manifestation forum.

    I will leave reading Joe Vitale’s aura in detail to somebody else, but when I look at his pictures I sense a lot of uncertainty in his high heart and third eye chakras as if he is not sure what to do with all of his success and celebrity status. What his life is missing is a connection to his spiritual source. As Rose says in Empowered by Empathy, material and spiritual life are incomplete without each other.

    December 27th, 2007 at 12:32 pm
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    Colleen said:

    Hi Ann! I think that having The Secret being out there is great..indicative of a change in paradigm.

    I also have been very familiar with Esther Hicks and “Abraham” on which The Secret is based.

    Having said all that, why is not everyone who knows of this information not materially rich?

    I have had my own belief systems to work through,my own soul gifts, that are different than others. It is not everyone’s path in life to be materially rich, though prosperity and abundance can certainly be theirs and mine.

    Everyone’s needs and attitudes are different concerning money and what they think they need. There are also issues that come up with having a great deal of money. There are some other things rolling around in this head that are connected to The Secret that I can’t seem to pull up right now. Then there is karma….I’ll have more to add when I think it through a bit more.

    December 27th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
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    Colleen said:

    Dear Blog-Buddies,

    What great comments. There is an online article in ODE magazine, by British Scientist and filmmaker Peter Russell, that talks about what is missing or misleading about “The Secret”. I found that article by going back to http://www.winterrobinson.com an intuitve that I have known of and respected for many years.

    The online article is dated October, 2007. It makes some of the same points as some of you. What an interesting discussion!

    Added to what Ryan has said, and what I said about soul gifts contracts etc., there is that thing called “free will”, and by that I mean, not just yours, but the people who intersect with your life! Those others certainly have an impact on the reality you create in addition to your interpretation of that “reality”.

    December 27th, 2007 at 8:05 pm
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    AnnH said:

    Hi all,

    Interesting comments. One comment in Anita’s post struck me…

    “What has happened with “The Secret,” for many people, is that they now believe that if they think it, it will just arrive. No work is necessary, they just have to wait for the goodies to arrive.”

    With all due respect, I have no idea how it is possible to know this to be true for many people. This is what is puzzling to me in these conversations. Given the huge sales of the book and DVD, I honestly don’t know how it can be humanly possible to truly comprehend the impact of this movie and book at this point. Which is, again, why I find it intriguing to jump to a negative conclusion about the impact and by association, the movie itself.

    One of my favorite books of late on the topic of the Law of Attraction is the newer, short LOA book by Esther Hicks. The section on the Art of Allowing was truly transformative for me and actually resulted in a huge sense of relief and perspective and a major shift. Even for the people who are brand-spanking new to LOA who might be thinking that it’s basically about wiggling their nose and wishing, they are exactly where they need to be, doing what they need to be doing, at their current level of consciousness. What difference does it make?

    I was mulling my comment-transformed-to-guest-post this afternoon before reading any comments and an image came to mind to depict my relationship to The Secret and the related phenomenon. It’s just my take on it, which comes from a live and let live and “take what you like and leave the rest” approach.

    I picture the folks in the film and the experience of the film as a big, crowded, exciting party. Being an introvert, I move through the party, observing, sometimes connecting with these folks individually, checking them out, chatting a bit. I enjoy myself, find illumination, sometimes lots of excitement and enthusiasm from the others, but no resonance for me with some of them, so I smile, thank them and just move on.

    I take my nuggets of new information and leave the party and meet more folks. The fact that the LOA was known about by accomplished people throughout history is fascinating to me, so I explore the readings of Florence Scovil Shin and Wallace Wattles.

    Here’s a side note and true story. One day while walking across the street in the city where I work on my way in to work, I was listening to a Florence Scovil Shin audiobook on LOA. I found a particular idea intriguing…it was something about destiny, how we’re destined to attract our soul’s desires. I found myself pondering my love of floral design and desire to manifest a way to bring that work into my life and said to myself, “Hmmmm..I wonder how I am going to do that? I wonder how that is going to happen?” As in, what are the details related to bringing that about. Not ‘how will it fall into my lap?’

    I stepped up on the curb, looked up, and there, seemingly out of nowhere, was a beautiful, elegant woman who looked like Joan Baez walking toward me, saying, “Would you like these?”

    In her arms was an enormous bouquet of flowers, wrapped in plastic with a big bow! I was shocked and amazed. I thanked her and couldn’t help but ask if she was familiar with the LOA, which she was. I explained what had just happened and we delighted in the energy of the synchronicity. She was staying at a nearby hotel and couldn’t take the flowers home on the plane.

    A few months later, I attended a Sonia Choquette workshop and grinned as she recounted more tales of manifesting. As I mentioned somewhere in blog-land, she was weaned on creative manifestation, as was her entire family, and has fabulous tales to tell that have inspired me tremendously. I resolved to share my floral tale with her after the workshop. One of the first things she ever said to me in a reading 4 years ago was “floral design….you have a talent in floral design…” …which has been a thread through my life as I’ve worked to create a new chapter in my life these past few years.

    As the workshop was wrapping up, I was thinking about how I wanted to pick up some flowers on the way home, yes, I’d gone too long flowerless and that would be good for my spirit. Some of us were chatting when one of the organizers standing next to me called out, “Who wants the flowers?” …meaning the big vase of gorgeous flowers that had been on the table next to Sonia during the workshop.

    “I do!” and there I was, with a 3-foot tall bouquet of flowers to take home! I stopped by to tell Sonia both my tales. She paused, looked me in the eye and said, “This means that you are exactly on the right track.” How fun!

    My point in sharing these tales (and I’ve actually had lots of manifesting adventures and synchronicities) is to simply say, hey guys, it can really be great fun to have a go at this rather than jump to negative conclusions. But if that’s what you want to do, be my guest! :-)

    I’ve had the basic parking space manifestation (which does always work for me)and some bigger, more complex manifestations unfold, with more that I know are in progress.

    OK, back to the “after party” after The Secret…I participated in two teleclasses given by Rhonda Britten, a coach whose expertise is helping people to master fear. The subject of these classes is “Fearless Living and The Secret.” I can’t do justice to all the dots that were connected through that experience, but many, many nuances were explained. Rhonda helps people to become conscious of the ways that fear can unconsciously run their lives. This is crucial in relation to LOA because as she explains, it can often happen that people throw themselves into trying to manifest something that is basically motivated by fear and insecurity, so it doesn’t manifest. Also, manifesting can take a very long time. She knows several of the teachers in the film and explained how they have been working with these principles for a long time.

    I listen to a few of the follow up talks by some of the teachers in The Secret…in which they point out that it takes getting off your butt and doing work to bring about manifesting.

    Another helpful related thread I discoverered later is the work of Michael Losier, a Canadian who’s written a helpful little nuts and bolts book, basically explaining how exactly to go about using LOA to manifest on the most practical level.

    There is still lots more to say, but I’ll stop there and say that I’ve enjoyed making the transformation in the way that I think and use my mental energy as consciously as I can, framing seemingly negative situations as ‘contrast,’ as suggested by Esther Hicks. Do I criticize the filmmaker for not including every follow up interview, article, teleclass, and book I’ve discovered? No way! How much is it possible to include in one movie? Do I believe that there were ill intentions behind the movie? Nope. I’m just not that cynical. Do I believe that it’s done more harm than good? Nope on that, too. Do I believe that LOA is at work? Yep, from the experiences I’ve had in my life. Do I believe it’s the only universal law at play? Nope.

    I know that it’s possible to embrace LOA to create delightful experiences and significant positive (and negative-though there were more of those in years past) changes in one’s life because I’ve been doing it for several years now.

    December 28th, 2007 at 3:30 am
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    AnnH said:

    Had a quick waking thought to share in relation to our discussion.

    In relation to what Rose said about discernment in our culture in relation to metaphysics, it struck me that part of the reason I’ve had a more favorable and measured response to The Secret than what I’d been reading about in blog-land is my experience slogging through the adventures and explorations I’ve done in the land of Feng Shui over the past several years. My goodness, now if you want to see some true hucksterism, there’s plenty there for everyone.

    I’ve met several students of feng shui who have traveled through the same cycle of studies, awareness and discernment over a period of several years. The big problem in feng shui is that while there is a body of knowledge that truly is useful and that can make a difference in people’s lives, there is a ton of crap on the market that is just downright wrong. Pure snake oil.

    I’ve had my shocks and stunning encounters along the way in that wild world, and so the folks from The Secret are mild in comparison to me and I think I’m better able to step around what doesn’t resonate with me. At least they agree on the basics of the principles. There are nuances that are missing, but they haven’t taken the core knowledge and completely fabricated a paradigm within which to present it, which some feng shui teachers have done.

    December 28th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
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    Anita said:

    Hi Ann,

    I don’t think anyone here is arguing that “The Secret” has done more harm than good, that the producers had ill intentions, or that people are jumping to negative conclusions instead of having fun with the Law of Attraction.

    What I think people are saying is that it’s important to be discerning. It sounds like you have that, Ann, but the people commenting here are saying that they have met people who don’t have the level of discernment and consciousness that you do and so wonder why “The Secret” hasn’t worked for them in the way they expected it to.

    Incidentally, I’ve heard a lot of things about where people need to be, where the collective consciousness of people is at the time, etc. While I accept it and believe it on one level, I can see how this argument, when manipulated or misused, can be harmful – e.g., the place that collective consciousness is happens to always be good and shouldn’t be changed.

    Using this line of reasoning, I’ve heard it argued that things like the Holocaust had to happen, that women weren’t allowed to vote and don’t earn equal pay, that people of color were considered inferior, etc., as all manifestations of the collective consciousness, therefore the collective wisdom, of the times.

    In some ways, for some people, it justifies not taking action, even with awareness and discernment. I’ve heard crazy things like, “The children in Africa need to starve because that is their karmic lesson – that is where they need to be right now. If they could only harness the Law of Attraction, they could manifest some food for themselves.” Umm, really?

    Even if that is true in some bizarre way, is it not also our positive karma to do something about this and to help?

    The same could be said about any number of other pressing issues like global warming, the war in Iraq, etc.

    I don’t expect the producers of “The Secret” to include every follow-up article, interview, teleclass, book, etc.

    It’s wonderful that you’ve been able to manifest everything you’ve wanted to, but that hasn’t been everyone’s experience with “The Secret.” That’s all people here are pointing out.

    December 28th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
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    Melanie said:

    In response to Ann, I wouldn’t say I’m jumping to negative conclusions. I would say instead that I’ve come to realize that there are layers and additional factors involved.

    It’s not just about counting how many cars you have, how many bouquets of flowers landed in your lap, how many parking spaces you have made magically appear. It’s about the soul path that each of us has chosen.

    Would I like to have everything fall into my lap? Sure. But although this last year has been full of upheaval and periods of great darkenss, I understand that this, too, is serving me.

    I haven’t “failed” just because I haven’t been able to manifest tangibly, despite all my spiritual and practical work, as well as my talents and experience. And I agree with Anita that “there are many many people out there who are disappointed because they…wonder why all their dreams haven’t come true, why they don’t have 10 mansions and 20 fancy cars.” I believe my current struggles are preparing me, laying the foundation for something to come.

    Yes, there are plenty of LOA teachings out there, and they are valuable. But I worry when some (as I find the Secret to encourage) put too much emphasis on the physical manifestation of wishes, and we start to see a competition or tally sheet of sorts… a focus on “here’s what -I- can do” versus appreciating our individual journeys and all the factors at play. Magical manifestation is not the goal.

    Manifestation is neither a competition nor a measure of status; rather, it’s one weave in a very complex fabric.

    December 30th, 2007 at 11:56 am
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    Anita said:

    Hi Melanie,

    I think you raise a very important and often overlooked point.

    And I agree, life isn’t a race of “he who has the most toys wins.” And it can be endless. It’s no secret – well-documented in many mainstream media sources and books – that Larry Ellison is constantly in competition with Bill Gates, even though both of them have so much money that the rest of us could hardly imagine how to spend it all.

    And with Paris Hilton’s grandfather recently deciding to donate most of the family fortune to charity, apparently even those who have a lot realize there can be too much of a good thing. While I don’t personally have anything against Ms. Hilton, what has she really accomplished with her life, except for becoming famous by spending her family fortune in very public and ostentatious ways? Ms. Hilton will still be well cared for, as she will still receive $5 million in inheritance, more money than the vast majority of us will see in our own lifetimes, whether we earn that amount or receive it through inheritance. Most of us will certainly not get that kind of money in one lump some, even if we win the lottery.

    If this is what “The Secret” is about, is that something to be proud of? To encourage people or raise one’s children to be preoccupied with amassing as much money as they can? I don’t plan to raise my own children that way, with the messages, “Hey, sweetie, just remember that your number one goal in life should be to amass as much money and stuff as you can. Because that’s what life is all about – getting as much stuff as you can and valuing people by the amount of stuff they have. Remember, now, when you get married, you always want to find someone and marry the richest person you can get, so that when you get divorced, as you inevitably will, you can get a huge amount in the divorce settlement.”

    Yes, we all need a certain amount of stuff to live comfortably – and when you don’t reach that minimum threshold, life is very uncomfortable.

    But I know people whose every waking moment is preoccupied by how much things cost, how much money they spend, how much money they want but don’t have. I don’t know if you’ve ever spent any length of time with those people, but they are really unpleasant to be around. After a while, you start feeling like all they see you as is a walking bank account, rather than as a person or someone they enjoy spending their time and energy with.

    And judging by how much stuff I see at the local Salvation Army – particularly because I live in a college town – most people own way too much stuff and don’t even begin to know what to do with it all.

    December 31st, 2007 at 5:33 pm
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    Anita said:

    Rose suggested that I post the below, which I adapted from personal correspondence:

    I have such mixed feelings about “The Secret.”
    Anytime people buy anything that wholesale, it makes me a little wary and suspicious.

    Doesn’t mean I hate it or think there’s anything wrong or evil about it, more that it puts me on guard.

    How about people becoming more interested in manifesting opportunities and experiences, rather than stuff? I’m drowning in stuff. I could do with less stuff and would trade all that stuff in for spending my time in quality ways – e.g., working and hanging out in a workplace I love, with colleagues I respect and admire, rather than one new fancy designer purse. In terms of what I could really use now… What I could really use and want right now is free plane tickets to go on all my job interviews! Just kidding (sort of). Would love to manifest all those free planet tickets out of thin air!

    Yes, I realize people fight viciously over stuff in divorces, but I actually think that is symptomatic of enmity that people have toward one another. The “stuff” is just the physical symbol of the emotions they are trying to work out (just my belief). In the end, we can always afford more stuff.

    January 1st, 2008 at 3:08 pm
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    AnnH said:

    I’d like to make a few final comments before signing off on this conversational thread.

    What I have attempted to communicate in my posts is two major themes that have arisen out of my personal experience of intentionally studying and practicing the LOA over the past few years.

    The first is that through a variety of explorations, I’ve had success in manifesting on a variety of levels. I have never claimed to “manifest everything (I’ve) wanted to.” My intention in describing some manifesting adventures I’ve had has simply been to illustrate that it is possible to consciously apply the LOA and to have success with it. And that it can be great fun to do so. There are actually a number of longer-term and deeper intentions that I have manifested, along with bumps along the way, that I would be happy to share about if anyone is interested. With all due respect, I’ve sensed that there is less interest in exploring how to go about developing manifesting skills than in bringing up concerns with the movie and the recent spike in interest in LOA, so I will not bring up any of that. I am realizing now that I had hoped that there might be more interest in pursuing this thread of conversation because I think it could be fun and interesting, but I respect where people are in their interest levels.

    The second point I felt it important to raise is that there are many, many related nuances and issues that directly affect one’s manifesting.

    Any illustrations I’ve chosen to share are not intended to be statements about anyone else’s experience or any other deeper issues in relation to interpreting LOA.

    That said, I realized that there is a third point that has come out of processing what I’ve learned and what I’ve read in this thread in response to the initial post.

    A major breakthrough for me came, as I mentioned, in understanding, to the best of my present level of consciousness, the Art of Allowing, as described in the Esther Hicks material. This has been a wonderful gift for me. So in the spirit of the Art of Allowing, I leave every other person’s relationship with the LOA entirely up to them. I make no comment on anyone’s relationship to materialism or how they choose to interpret the LOA. I believe that the greatest contribution I can make is to focus on developing my own gifts to the best of my ability so that I can be of service.

    Thanks to all for taking the time to share your thoughts.

    January 1st, 2008 at 6:24 pm
     
     

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