I am curious about Osho

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osho_%28Bhagwan_Shree_Rajneesh%29

and Ram Dass

http://iberostar.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/ram20dass20photo0001.jpg

This is a fascinating idea! Here are some ideas: Louise Hay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Hay

Amma http://www.amritapuri.org/

Mike Dooley http://www.tut.com/about/bios/?EmployeeId=1

Is it ok to ask about people here who are not public figures, and post a link to their picture? Of course, I would also be curious about who would be enlightened out of all the people I know or used to know, but that would be thousands of people to sift through.

Hi Rose,

how about Charlie Lutes? http://www.amazingabilities.com/charlie11a.html
http://www.maharishiphotos.com/lecture1.html

Yipee! I was glad to see Michael Tamura make the list! (but Bill Gates?? gee..)

SUZANNE, thanks for Comment 1. Yes, I would include Ram Dass.

I met him actually, during a very small talk given shortly after he returned from India in an Enlightened state.

ANN, also related to your Comment 2:

You know that I have praised Sonia Choquette’s talent elsewhere on this blog. This recent photo does not meet the criteria of spiritual Enlightenment, with all respect to her outstanding psychic-level circuits.

JENNIFER, more on your Comment 3:

I did put Ammaji on the list just tonight. Some of these magnificent Enlightened beings I have known about for years but just not transferred their names to my list.

She is another one I have met in person. And, yes, the hug was worth waiting for.

JENNIER, completing a response to your Comment 3:

Mike Dooley in this photo: http://www.tut.com/about/bios/?EmployeeId=1

is one good looking guy, but Enlightened? His dog in this photo has a far more thrilling aura. With all respect to both Dooley, his dog, and YOU.

BRENDA, re your Comment 5, how fun for you to have brought up Charlie Lutes from TM and the Spiritual Regeneration Movement. I haven’t seen him since 1974!

Using this link: http://www.amazingabilities.com/charlie11a.html
I did read the photo provided. To my perception, he does go on the list of the Enlightened, but (for you and other Blog-Buddies familiar with distinctions Maharishi made about higher states of consciousness, no, I would not agree with the claim in that webpage that Lutes attained God Consciousness.

JORDAN, your Comment 6 was a great question.

Yes, people do evolve beyond basic Enlightenment. I have observed my friend Jeffrey Chappell in this way for years, and I hope he doesn’t mind my “outing” him as moving beyond basic Cosmic Consciousness (i.e., Enlightenment) into the beginning and glorious stages of God Consciousness.

KARIN, thank you and your Comment 8 for being the very first person to offer your own experiences of reading people deeper in this set of comments.

Hooray!

Like you, I’m just one person using my perception the best that I can.

What’s really exciting here is your use of your talent for learning about what was going on in his physical system. Talent, Karin!

Hi Rose! What a fascinating blog post and list.
Nice to connect again via the blog.

COLLEEN: And it is such a delight to connect back to you.

Oh, and I could swear that you did an aura reading a long time ago on some girl that was in the news… I think she was in the military and somehow involved in some kidnapping/murder?? Or something? And you remarked on her lack of stuff. Hopefully someone knows what I’m talking about!!

JORDAN, also about your Comment 27, not having much STUFF in your auric field is a start, but I don’t put someone in the Enlightened category unless there is, to my perception, a great deal of joy as well.

JORDAN, Mr. Diemprey is not ready for the Enlightenment Life List, given my aura reading research. Sorry.

Well done, Jordan. Yes, I will add Susan Scolastico to that list. Although there still are areas of pain, the joy outweighs it overall. And the quality of purity in that woman…

by contrast Ivory Soap has way too much garbage. (Readers outside the U.S., this company used to advertise that their product was 99 and 44/100% pure.

Star Riparetti

http://www.starfloweressences.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3&Itemid=2

Hi Rose, I wish I worked in that office! I went to a flower essence weekend course with Star in the 90s. It was lovely and so joyous!

How about Star’s friend Aluna Joy?

http://www.alunajoy.com/

BRENDA, thanks for jogging my memory, somehow, indirectly. I had been meaning to add Karen Robinson. All you Blog-Buddies, do your favorite aura reading technique or technique for skilled empath merge on this powerhouse!

http://www.contacttalkradio.com/hosts/chuckkarenrobison.htm

Welcome, LOS ANGELES ACUPUNCTURE! Just to be clear, all the techniques for Deeper Perception that I teach via this blog and the website http://www.rose-rosetree.com …

They are NOT intended as a method to gain Enlightenment. They are intended to help us use the degree of Enlightenment we already have, by whatever means it has been gained over the lifetimes.

Once upon a time, I believed (as many people do) that when I was “There” in consciousness, all forms of perception would automatically open up.

This is just plain ridiculous. Being Enlightened won’t make you a rocket scientist, a great tennis player or even someone who knows how to spell words properly.

Meanwhile, when you CAN do aura reading in depth and detail (full energetic literacy) or you have become a skilled empath; when you are a real face reader (a physiognomist, not simply an expression reader) — then you can really tell who is who in this sometimes baffling Earth School.

If you ARE considering the services of a spiritual teacher or emotional healer (like me) or a physical healer or any other kind of professional, it is smart as a consumer to check out the “who-you-be” factor. And not just to do it as a vague vibe or hunch but to use full energetic literacy.

For acupuncture, these skills would be really useful, you’re right. I have had clients and students who are professionals in this field. Since acupuncture primarily moves chi, of course it would be really important to have full energetic literacy about chi!

Hi Rose, I don’t see the Dalai Lama on your list. How about him? http://www.dalailama.com/

BRENDA, of course the Dalai Lama belongs on my Enlightenment Life List.

He’s one of the people from that list I have been in the presence of, too. How could I have forgotten him? Thanks for bringing up his name here, and supplying an excellent link.

JOE inspired me to read Mr. Murthy, #64 on the Enlightenment Life List. I read him from his photo just after reading a man with that a differently rare kind of aura, someone truly evil.

The contrast inspired this blog post, which you may enjoy: http://www.rose-rosetree.com/blog/2010/08/22/enlightenment-surprises-with-aura-reading/#more-1266

BRENDA, thanks for your latest nominee, plus a useful link.

Patricia Jepsen has a lot of endearing qualities including many that would help her to become financially successful, but no, she isn’t now a candidate for the Enlightenment Life List.

Yes, JO, I will include beautiful Swami Chinmayananda to this Enlightenment Life List.

However, he is not to be confused with H.H. Swami Tejomayananda (Head of Chinmaya Mission Worldwide) who is a direct disciple of H.H. Swami Chinmayananda. I’m not suggesting that this disciple isn’t a good teacher, or devoted to this cause. But I wouldn’t put him on the Enlightenment Life List at this time.

Rose, number 65 on Enlightenment Life List has spelling mistake?

“The guru Swami Chinmayananda, not to be confused with J.J. Chinmayananda, his successor”

maybe needs to read:

“The guru Swami Chinmayananda, not to be confused with H.H. Tejomayananda, his successor.”

Are these people Enlightened?

Ingrid Auer, angel essence manufacturer
http://www.engelkongress.de/bilder/Ingrid-auer_L.jpg

Jamie Sams, First Nation shaman
http://www.harpercollins.com/harperimages/author/8583.jpg

Eva Ulmer-Janes, huna shaman
http://www.friedensreich.at/images/mondsee_06/ulmerjanes.jpg

Jasmuheen (Ellen Greve), pranic living promoter
http://www.wrage.de/kgs/bilder/0506engel_jasmuheen.jpg

J., what a delight to consider all these European healers and teachers. Thanks for all the ideas.

Let’s start with Ingrid Auer, the angel essence manufacturer.

Although she has very developed consciousness, I wouldn’t put her on the Enlightenment Life List, not quite yet.

About your Comment 55, J., where you proposed Eva Ulmer-Janes, the Huna shaman, for our Enlightenment Life List: She has such a lovely heart and is clearly a mega-talented empath with many empath gifts.

However, to my perception, she is not ready for the Enlightenment Life List at this time.

So, what’s the problem with 3 out of the 4 great people proposed recently by J. in Comment 55?

The common denominator is this — and the same goes for many who have been proposed for this Enlightenment Life List:

They still suffer as humans. Often quite a lot. Problems show up when I investigate chakra databanks like:

Giving Love at the Heart Chakra
Receiving Love at the Heart Chakra

It becomes painfully clear that there is still STUFF to release, sometimes a lot of it.

For all these three from J., the work itself is clearly impeccable. Chakra databanks relevant to the World Server self are just pristine and very individually lovely.

But Enlightenment isn’t only about doing good work. It’s about being STUFF-free, having bliss as an eternal experience, bringing a magnitude of healing in that person’s auric modeling.

thanks for posting this list. I have taken to finding youtube videos of people from your list to listen to when I am feeling down.

I found some really great videos by Eckhart Tolle and Krishnamurti. It is amazing how just listening and watching someone who has that kind of presence influences your mood.

Suzanne

ANONYMOUS, about Tathagat Avatar Tulsi, who bills himself as “The World’s Youngest Postgraduate,” really!

When people have full Energetic Literacy, he might need to give himself another title, as well as perhaps reconsider calling himself an “Avatar.”

Blog-Buddies, check him out for yourself at:
http://www.physics.iisc.ernet.in/~tathagat/

How about Thich Nhat Han? Here is an interview between Ram Dass and Thich Nhat Han:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZKrl5n79hY

Here’s my favorite from the list, Donna Eden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gffKhttrRw4

Don’t be surprised if you find yourself smiling right along with her.

And go ahead and do the 5 minute energy routine right along with her–it’s great!

PS I got to hug Donna yesterday at a workshop her and David were giving. It was divine!

Johnny Seitz, Bio-Typing author and coach (USA)
http://www.biotyping.com/images/more.jpg

Chris Rials-Seitz, sound healer (USA)
http://www.biotyping.com/images/chris-bowls.gif

Fans of Jeffrey Chappell, here are a bunch of performance links for you.

Some of the videos come through his website:

http://jeffreychappell.com/video_ravel.php

All ten are included, as will, on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/user/jeffreychappellpiano?feature=mhum

SANDRA, thanks for that Comment #69. I agree about the amazingness of Donna Eden.

She really is an American-style “Hugging & Healing Saint” herself, with all respect to the great Indian Hugging Saint, Ammachi. (Both on our Enlightenment Life List, of course.)

ANONYMOUS, thanks for your Comment #71 and nomination of Chris Rials-Seitz, sound healer (USA)
http://www.biotyping.com/images/chris-bowls.gif.

Another magnificent Enlightened being among us. She goes onto the Enlightenment Life List right now.

I attended a Dennis Adams weekend workshop in I think 1989. It was life changing. He is so dynamic.

This healer is visting my town soon. Never heard of her until now. She looks blissful.

http://maximamay.com/default.aspx

Concerning Yona Jyotiananda, Amma says apparently that he is enlightened, maybe his photo is not the newest one?

Tony Hsieh, Zappos ceo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-rosenbaum/creating-a-happiness-cult_b_607621.html

Ooh, Blog-Buddies, we have a lot to get through. Thanks, everyone, for these fascinating nominations.

Let’s start most recent Comment first.

Mary, and Comment #84. Dr. Pearl has a huge following so I’m sure he won’t mind that he isn’t anywhere near being ready for the Enlightenment Life List yet. He does have FABULOUS circuits for becoming wealthy, and he definitely is a good guy.

Isn’t it interesting to note that the Zappos culture is based on proximity, in that all the workers are on site, and not on telecommuting? He understands those themes – among many others! – we’ve chatted about on this blog, in terms of electronic relationships.

I’ve watched a couple of interviews with him and I’m really impressed!

JORDAN, your Comment 82 also nominated Metteyya Sakyaputta, a Buddhist monk who DEFINITELY has just gone onto the Enlightenment Life List.

What a lovely find! Thank you.

JORDAN, that Comment 82 was power-packed. Not only do I find poet Jane Hirshfield to be Enlightened at the time of her photo here:

http://www-tc.pbs.org/thebuddha/media/photos/Hirshfield.jpg

But she is also a Molecular Empath. As you may know, those are rare. Our first poet nominated, too — woo-hoo!

How about Suze Orman?

http://stemcellumbilicalcordblood.com/donating-umbilical-cord-blood/cord-blood-banks-storage/suze-orman-encourages-cord-blood-banking/

And Dr. Christiane Northrup?

http://www.hayhouse.com/authorbio.php?id=86

Astrologer Daniel Giamario?

http://shamanicastrology.com/sams-faculty

How about this father & daughter team?

Thomas Crum, Aikiworks instructor & author on conflict resolution
http://www.aikiworks.com/images/head2.jpg

Alia “Ali” Crum, currently clinical psychology student & workshop host
http://www.aikiworks.com/images/Alicolor.jpeg

Pema Chödrön, buddhist nun & author, resident teacher at Gampo Abbey
http://www.willpowerengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/pema_chodron.jpg
http://www.randomhouse.de/content/author/image/10929.jpg

How about harpist Jeff Majors? Lots of photos to choose from in the link below:

http://www.google.com/images?q=jeff+majors&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=OJiZTOnVOYr2swPc-ampAw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=7&ved=0CFAQsAQwBg&biw=1265&bih=657

Hello Rose,
I’m curious about whether Deepak Chopra would make your list?
~Anne

ANNE, thanks for writing. You’re not the only one to be curious. See Comment 88.

GRACE, your Comment 93 also nominated Dr. Christiane Northrup for the Enlightenment Life List.

She is, as so modestly noted at the link you provided, both a “visionary pioneer” and “beloved authority.” (And I do hope the Hay House employee who described her that way knows how her own writing talent is “very unique.”

Northrup is not ready yet for that Enlightenment Life List.

SUZANNE, you hit on something important with your great youtube share at Comment 94 and your question about degrees of Enlightenment.

Look for a future post on this very topic! Meanwhile, please keep finding those cool links.

Also re your Comment 95, ANONYMOUS, that engaging Ali Crum is not yet Enlightened either.

Continuing with a response to Comment 96, it’s really great to have a fellow Regression Therapist proposed for the Enlightenment Life List.

However Gerrit Gielen is not ready for that list quite yet.

RENE, thanks so much for proposing Paramahamsa Hariharananda, one of the saints from the lineage of Kriya Yoga in your Comment 98.

Yes, he does go right onto the Enlightenment Life List.

GRACE, I see you in your curiosity and I raise you one. (Referring to Comment 100, Blog-
Buddies, not a poker match between GRACE and me.)

It is very important to consider Enlightenment in the world at large, not just among spiritual teachers.

I am a huge admirer of the work of Steven Spielberg, but he is not yet an appropriate choice for the Enightenment Life List.

Hello again Rose,

Though many may not have heard of him, I’m wondering about a lovely spritual teacher of the SF Bay Area named Adyashanti.

http://www.adyashanti.org/

Thanks,

~Anne

ANNE, thanks for your Comment 117, nominating SF Bay Area teacher Adyashanti. Very dear fellow, but he isn’t quite ready for that Enlightenment Life List at this time.

Jane Goodall:

http://davidkiyokawa.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/jane-goodall.jpg

JORDAN (and ANNE),that wonderful Jane Goodall will go onto the EMPATH life list, but not yet the ENLIGHTENMENT LIFE LIST.

And because it is such a super-duper picture, I’ll put it at the top of today’s blog post, too.

GRACE, you win and then you win some more. Tom Hanks does belong on both lists.

Thanks for nominating him.

It’s interesting that there are so many actors among the enlightened ones, maybe enlightenment lets them use their chakra-databanks like a virtuoso plays on his instrument. Apparently the role of guru is their favorite role.

“personal development” author Shakti Gawain:
http://www.newworldlibrary.com/Portals/0/images/authors/header/1817.jpg

Hi, ANNE. About your Comment 128, the link you provided did not have a photo of your nominee.

I’ll consider him after you provide a photo link that DOES work. Google IMAGES might do it, for instance.

Please understand that this is part of the teamwork of making this blog work. I need your help because I don’t have infinite time to chase down photos, adding to the free aura readings I am supplying here for you Blog-Buddies.

So please follow up on your intuition and post the link as a new comment.

SARAH, if Ms. Hess’s confident use of her power could translate into Enlightenment, she would definitely be on our list.

However, she is left with a very compelling kind of certainty about whatever it is that she teaches. This will cause people to have huge respect for her when they are at Stage 1 of Energetic Literacy. Her confidence may well translate into very grateful and devoted students.

Of course, what Hess teaches may be very valuable to clients at every level and be, as she says, empowering. With more Energetic Literacy, however, there might be a sense of caution around some of her power dynamics.

Tensin Palmo:
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/picture/upload/tenzin-palmo(1).jpg

Glenda Green

http://www.lovewithoutend.com/Glenda_Green.htm

I wish it were that simple, CARL, that everyone who was promised Enlightenment by TM, or Kundalini Yoga or Eckankar had been given their goal.

I wish Enlightenment was the all-time reality for followers of Swami Tejomayananda or Krishnamurti or others.

People may have gained enormously from their meditation practice. But even the immensely talented Deepak Chopra and the wily John Gray couldn’t get Enlightened from decades of TM — a headscratcher right there!

When I research candidates submitted for the Enlightenment Life List, I put aside the Rose Rosetree perspective as much as is humanly possible. I read the person’s aura, that’s all.

You know, the energetic literacy skill of aura reading is not a belief or a way to express prejudice. It’s a skill. When you are reading this screen with Gutenberg literacy, you could be happy or grumpy or sleepy (add names of all Snow White’s dwarves here). Your tone of voice might vary accordingly, but not the words themselves.

Sure, I know that people have been TOLD that one practice or other will make them Enlightened. Different deal. You’re free to submit names and photo links of spiritual teachers within TM or other meditation disciplines. I’ll gladly consider them for the List.

TM was my life for 20 years. I met a whole lot of meditators, “Citizen Sidhas” and “Governors of the Age of Enlightenment.” My son’s Godfather is on Purusha, where he has been for decades. I would love to tell you I know hundreds or thousands of TMers who are Enlightened. (And I have literally met thousands by now.)

This List has six, I believe. In 1974 my friend Nona told me inspiring stories about one friend of HERS who became Enlightened through TM. But I never met that person. And Nona made her transition a couple of years later, so I can’t ask her.

So six is it so far.

ANNE, thank you so much for supplying that adorable photo. Makes it easier to work as a team and have me do MY part of the collaboration with my human allotment of hours per day. You sure sent out that picture in record time!

Intriguing though Greg Mortenson is, he’s not quite ready for that Enlightenment Life List.

BRENDA, so far you are one of the champs among our Blog-Buddies for nominating Enlightened folks for this list.But Glenda Green is a no-go for the list.

In the book now being printed, “Magnetize Money with Energetic Literacy,” one chapter shares the results I found from doing aura reading research on 50 Born-Again Christian teachers. I gather Ms. Green is positioned in a similar manner.

Can you comment below about her work? Or can some of you other Blog-Buddies? She may be a channeler or have New Age ideas or not, but energetically she is positioned squarely among the 50 I researched for “Magnetize Money.”

Her Third Eye Chakra databank about Connection to Spiritual Source is a few inches larger than with most, that’s all.

And, lovely though her aura is, may I say that from my perspective, the pattern in evidence there has nothing to do with being spiritually Enlightened.

Rose, re comment 143- I had my doubts. Sorry, but I don’t know anything about her except for an acquaintance talking about her.

How about this guy? Drunvalo Melchizedek
http://www.drunvalo.net/bio.html
I’ve enjoyed his books.

Rose,

Thank you for the fun of this!

It really makes you think about what ‘enlightenment’ is made up of.

Am wondering about Arthur Janov. Is it possible to be enlightened and an atheist? His picture is on the left side of his blog.

http://cigognenews.blogspot.com/

How about the Lion Whisperer- Kevin Richardson?
http://gigazine.jp/img/2007/07/03/lion_whisper/lion_whisper16.jpg

Joshua David Stone
http://www.iamuniversity.org/iamu/iamu/aboutdrstonegloria/3046-About-Joshua-David-Stone.html

How about the head of Sukyo Mahikari:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~skyaxe/images/m07.jpg

Over 1 million members have become part of this free organization where you can go wherever you wish to receive light.

LIN, in response to your nomination of Gandhi in Comment 154:

Heroic? YES.

Saintly? YES.

Enlightened? Not by a long shot. One example of many: Communication in public, chakra databank at the throat chakra — loaded with anger.

Please, Blog-Buddies, don’t expect me to usually comment on WHY someone doesn’t make the Enlightenment Life List. In this case, since the man is deceased, I thought I would make an exception to my usual policy.

BERNIE, thank you for your nomination in Comment 152. Welcome to the blog. This has been your first comment, right?

Over to your nomination of writer/teacher Adi Da, with all respect, is aura is more about power and the will to dominate than about Enlightenment at the time of your photo link,http://www.adidam.org/.

BRENDA, hello again. You have given me another first to research as well. I mean, really, how often does one get to do a bit of aura reading research on someone named Wistancia?

About Ms. Stone, proposed in your Comment 150, does make it onto the Enlightenment Life List. Thanks!

I am adding her mentor, Channie Centara, as well. See HER picture at:

http://www.wistancia.com/about_cc.htm

PRIMROSE, thanks for your Comment 149. Of course it is possible to both Enlightened and an atheist. Enlightenment isn’t about belief system or any outward attribute or inner system of thought.

It’s about the expression of consciousness through a purely functioning, STUFF-free, BLISS-filled mind-body-spirit system.

Now, about your nominee, Arthur Janov,not ready for that list at this time. Sorry.

Keep proposing the most evolved atheists you know, PRIMROSE. Some day YOU might be on that Enlightenment Life List yourself. Atheism is a noble and courageous path, for sure.

ANNE, thank you so much for Comment 147. That is the purpose of this exercise. You’re onto it!

Plus, I want to encourage you’all who are developing Energetic Literacy to check out reading people in these photo links. It’s great practice. Some of the folks I call “Not ready for this list” are in excellent shape energetically, though not quite Enlightened, while others are at the other end of the continuum. It’s fascinating to research one chakra databank after another.

BRENDA, thanks for your Comment 147, nominating a very popular spiritual teacher and writer, Drunvalo Melchizedek.

You’re clearly not the only one to have enjoyed his books, and I’d call him close to Enlightened but not quite there at the time of this photo.

How about Joan Halifax Roshi? She is a Zen abbot and teacher who has worked with the dying for many years and is an environmentalist.

Here is a link to a picture:
http://jizochronicles.wordpress.com/2010/02/14/quote-of-the-week-roshi-joan-halifax/

and here is a link to a great short video of her speaking about gratitude:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-2GP9vLlFs&NR=1

Also, Wayne Dyer, motivational speaker and author. One of the first New Age thinkers I ever encountered.

http://www.drwaynedyer.com/about/

Hello Rose,

I know someone did a guest post on Dr. Raymond Moody, but is he Enlightened?

Here’s a different photo of him:

http://e-ducation.net/psychologists/raymond_moody_gr.jpg

BERNIE, about Jack Schwartz on Comment 168?

Not ready for the Enlightenment Life List quite yet. On to the next lifetime!

BRENDA, what will it be with Max Heindel? I’m eager to check out your Comment 170. So far, NOBODY making comments on this post has proposed more Enlightened folk than you.

And the answer is… no.

Incidentally, he (like Joan Halifax Roshi)has a significantly crooked smile. I have yet to meet anyone Enlightened who has a crooked smile.

In my system of Face Reading Secrets(R), this relates to having some habits of exaggeration (or outright deception) as a communicator. Another example came up just today, my blog post about Nick Bunick.

ANNE, regarding your Comment 173, Dr. Moody is not Enlightened.

I can assure you, if I profile anyone on this blog and that person is Enlightened, it’s a big deal and I don’t overlook mentioning it.

I did check, using your perhaps more-recent photo than the one I used. But he’s nowhere near Enlightened, although his work has helped many people.

ANNE, about your nominee in Comment 174, President Carter, he is nowhere close to Enlightenment.

Incidentally, I have yet to find someone who is actively and publicly engaged in Fundamentalist religion of any kind (i.e., Fundamentalism in any religion) who is spiritually Enlightened.

Rose, I thank you so much for encouraging us (me) to use energetic literacy ourselves.

I have lacked confidence most of my life. Now, thanks to you, I’m making steps to use my empathic gifts wisely.

I have been doubtful of myself when trying to use techniques like ‘Magic Picture’ so I am somewhat timid about trying it. I have been working on trusting my experiences and will probably try it soon.

I’ve been fortunate in my life journey to interact with a few Enlightened beings and mostly I’ve just felt a sense that the service they offered at them time was just what I needed.

With someone like Max Heindel, I assumed that because he was associated with an esoteric society like the Rosicrucians that I didn’t even have to question how I felt looking at his picture. Silly me!

Also, I have to admit, I have suggested people I didn’t think would make your list, but because someone in my life was ‘into’ them I wanted confirmation of my feeling.

All of those suggestions unsurprisingly didn’t make your list but did waste your time. I apologize for that. I will not do this again. I’ll only suggest those I feel would make your list after checking them out myself.

Thank you for this wakeup call!

what about barack obama?

I wouldnt say he is enlightened, but he seems to have some empath tendencies. What’s your take on him?

Sri Yukteswar (Paramahansa Yogananda’s guru):
http://www.greatdreams.com/masters/yukteswar.htm

DAISY, many beloved teachers and heroes to people have been nominated for the Enlightenment Life List. My responses simply involve using techniques of energetic literacy the best I can in order to tell if, from my perspective, the person is spiritually Enlightened yet. Or not.

If I though a person had to be Enlightened in order to help others as a spiritual teacher, how could I live with myself, considering that I’m not on that list yet either?

Surely what matters is that Osho has helped you so much. I was not trying to attack him or you in any way.

Amazing list.

Here are a few more…

Arnaud Desjardins, French spiritual teacher:

http://www.google.com/images?q=arnaud+desjardins&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=PRDaTNXMC4GB8gbIvJ20CQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=7&ved=0CFoQsAQwBg&biw=1044&bih=566

Ma Anandamayi, Hindu saint:

http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1044&bih=566&tbs=isch:1&sa=1&q=ma+anandamayi&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Dilgo Khyentse, Tibetan Rinpoche:

http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1044&bih=566&tbs=isch:1&sa=1&q=dilgo+khyentse&aq=f&aqi=g3&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Kangyur Rinpoche, Tibetan Rinpoche:

http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1044&bih=566&tbs=isch:1&sa=1&q=kangyur+rinpoche&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Not sure about those ones:

Paul Richards, Seer and teacher:

http://sentecenter.com/bioPaulRichards.html

Tom Stone, healer and teacher:

http://greatlifetechnologies.com/images/TomStone.jpg

Hi Rose!

Thank you for the current running list

I am curious about Sri Amma and Sri Bhagavan the global visionaries behind the Oneness phenomenon
http://www.onenessuniversity.org/about_us_founders.html

Gregg Braden
http://www.greggbraden.com/

Anadagiri senior faculty at the one world academy
http://www.one-worldacademy.com/team/senior-facutly/index.php

The Dog Whisperer Cesar Millan! http://www.cesarsway.com/askcesar/aboutcesar
(I don’t feel he is enlightened yet but there is something I just love about his enegry)

Thank you ~ Heather

Hi Rose.

So, question.

Are Enlightened people Divine beings when they pass on?

And unenlightened humans are astral?

Concerning Yona Jyotiananda, there is a new photo of him (2010) at http://www.rapidenlightenment.com.

Could you check out if he is enlightened now? He should be, according to Amma.

JORDAN, these are great questions. So I’ll address them as best I can, taking them one by one.

In Comment 196 you asked, “So, apparently, people can have ‘gifts’ of their soul that aren’t really so gift-y.”

No, actually everybody has gifts that are good things, like the ability to ask smart questions. (Jordan!)

Everybody also has STUFF, which distorts or cripples or hides gifts.

It’s a simple model, applying to everyone who is human. Let’s continue based on that premise.

Jordan, I don’t know much about enlightenment, but I know a bit about narcissism. I think narcissism comes from a deep early wound, so it’s related to having a lot of stuff. (Am using Rose’s word here, I like the way she writes “stuff”)

I mean childhood trauma by “stuff”, usually to do with the relationship with the mother, but not always (this is my interpretation, there are others of course).

As a person addresses their narcissism in therapy or recovery the wound can be healed. Narcissism, in my experience, isn’t set in stone, it’s just unusual for narcissists to bother with getting better. Why get better when the defense of contempt and hatred works SO well?

I speak from experience. It worked for me for years, wow feeling superior is such a high. It keeps you isolated, but who cares when people are just pathetic any way? (I absolutely do not think like this any more, but I certainly did at one point).

Active narcissists don’t feel a lot of pure joy that’s for sure! If enlightenment means experiencing serenity and joy then active narcissists are not enlightened. Under the glittering facade of charm and enthusiasm the active narcissists I know are full of deep misery and fury, and not a lot else other than the 24/7 fantasies of power/wealth/seduction.

I don’t think a cold dead heart is a gift of the soul, but I haven’t read Rose’s ideas on gifts of the soul so that’s something I can’t really comment on. Like I said, I think narcissism comes from a wound that happens to a child. I don’t think it’s something that exists pre-wounding.

Just read your comments Rose you know, it is my experience in recovery that people with personality disorders ARE seeking help now.

Maybe this is a new development. Whatever it is, it’s good news.

I know people who are recovering narcissists. I never had NPD but I had a lot of narcissistic traits and I’m not alone in addressing them.

There is help for people who are willing to change. Usually full-blown narcissists need to have their faces scraped along the bottom of life before they’ll seek help, but it does happen.

It really helps to have a full blown alcohol/drug addiction and catch some hideous sexual infection and lose your wife, kids and home.

Okay, usually the narcissist will still hit the bars and pick up someone new and start over, but just sometimes the pain catches up with them and they limp their way to a meeting and start learning about ego-reduction.

Recovery is not the slow old thing it was 20 years ago. Now there is a lot of specific ego-reduciong info for the personality disordered. I think that’s wonderful.

Perhaps this is also part of the evolving consciousness that is happening to human beings. Thinking there’s no “cure” for narcissism isn’t strictly true any more.

RICHARD, let’s take your many nominees from Comment 184 one by one.

Regarding David R. Hawkins, I sure love the name of his publishing company, Veritas.

He is an extraordinary man with magnificent attainments of consciousness but no, I do not believe he is quite ready for the Enlightenment Life List. Close, definitely, but he still suffers too much for that.

RICHARD, about Gary Renard (proposed in your Comment 184), not ready for the Enlightenment Life List at this time.

DAVE, in your Comment 185 you asked me to comment on President Obama without supplying a photo.

You also asked about “empathic tendencies.”

Your enthusiasm is great but here I’ll just remind you of a few requirements to have me comment on someone proposed for the Enlightenment Life List:

1) My system of Empath Empowerment(R) is not about having “empathic tendencies.” An empath is born with at least one lifelong gift for directly experiencing what it is like to be other people. it is not a tendency. One either is an empath or one is not.

2) The service I provide here at this post is not to give detailed readings of people. It is like an up-or-down vote in Congress. Yes or no, Enlightened at the time of the photo or not.

3) Please supply a photo link any time you propose someone as a candidate here at this post.

4) Keep that enthusiasm and curiosity — delightful!

Okay, sorry about not having the link to a photo. Here is one link to Kenneth Wapnick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ken_wapnick_seattle_unity_cropped.jpg

Later I did realize Gary Renard would not reach enlightenment until his next lifetime after this one. Oh well.

Thanks Rose!

Next, let’s explore nominees from Yan, given in his Comment 191.

Yan, you have given me entire pages of photos. I am going to request that you find one good photo, from a front angle. Please send me one link.

This blog exploration does not include my taking 10-15 minutes per nominee to open up individual pictures, figure out if they are representative of the individual or if they really ARE about the person.

Please show consideration for me by re-submitting your many questions after you have done your share of this collaboration. I’m sure you were trying to be helpful to me; I just had never needed to explain this part before.

So, thanks.

Thanks, HEATHER, for your Comment 193.

Ammachi is already on the Enlightenment Life List.

Continuing, HEATHER, with your nomination in Comment 193, Gregg Braden, YES! He goes right onto the Enlightenment Life List.

Thank you.

Let’s pass on the person you nominated because you “don’t feel he is enlightened yet but there is something I just love about his energy.”

Both you, HEATHER, and all you Blog-Buddies, please only nominate people you suspect ARE Enlightened. This post is not for my commenting about everyone you can think of who is interesting or a resource for entertainment because you like something about a person. I’m trying to bring clarity to the concept of Enlightenment.

Have mercy, please. (Also respect for my time.)

JORDAN, what a wonderful question in your Comment 199.

Yes, Enlightened Beings do become Divine Beings. There is also the option of simply merging with the Divine. Nice couple of choices, huh?

Anyone who completes a lifetime at Earth School without becoming Enlightened does return to being an angel, an astral-level being. But the great part here is that any incarnation in a world for evolution, like Earth School (Which is for the truly ambitious) — we evolve a whole lot here. Every lifetime. Even if other humans judging us while here might think we are the most pitiful losers.

Hahahahahahaha.

Very cool about Greg Braden…I attended a talk he gave on his work and it’s fascinating.

How about Caroline Myss? There’s a pretty decent frontal/upper torso photo on this website; just need to scroll down a bit. http://lars.toomre.com/quotes/author/Caroline%20Myss

What about Gabriel Cousens the Raw foods author?

Giveittomeraw.com has a good picture.

Gabriel Cousens:
http://tinyurl.com/2g8h9sd

Cory Booker:
http://tinyurl.com/2wdbq8y

Hey, all you Blog-Buddies. I think I left something out earlier in this thread and would like to make up for it now.

I do request that you, or anyone who submits people for me to research for the Enlightenment Life List, please include some standard polite language, such as, “Rose, I would appreciate your researching this nominee.”

I don’t want this blog to become like a diner where people order up a meal by saying, “Give me Item #25, with extra fries. And make it snappy.”

And, yes, as I have had to remind people from time to time, I ALWAYS need a link that can be opened up easily. One click. Not hunt through a page of photos. Not go into Facebook or some other site and hunt around for a link.

Thanks so much.

Hi, I’d like to nominate spiritual teacher John Christian:

http://jcs-life-skills.wholelifewholeworld.com/files/2009/05/john6b.jpg

I’ve met him a couple of times. He always seems to emanate a deeply relaxed and joyful energy and it would not surprise me if he makes your list.

Many thanks for this list and your comments, Rose. Truly helpful!

Wow! Interesting nomination, Jody! I devoured his books.

Nice to hear Gregg Braden makes the cut, cause he’s awesome. The God Code definitely helped me, now I’m on The Divine Matrix.

I’ curious about Prof. Rupert Sheldrake, discoverer of “morphic fields” and Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, developer of Autonomic Response Testing.

(sorry, I don’t know how to do links)
Sheldrake:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o5Y8IT4S6w
Klinghardt:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wvvTx8FoBg

Dear Rose, This may seem like an unlikely candidate but would you mind checking Jerry Seinfeld?

He has an amazing energy now and it may be surprising that he is a meditator (not that that’s a prerequisite).

http://cdn.sheknows.com/realitytvmagazine/2010/01/marriage-ref-jerry-seinfeld1.jpg

Aw, RENEE, TRUTH SEEKER, JODY, BERNIE (hope I didn’t leave anyone out), thank you so much for your recent comments.

Gorgeous manners in your wording! I guess it helps to ask for what one wants, not just assume that everybody knows.

Thank you so much for being responsive to my request.

Okay, Blog-Buddies, here comes another round of research for our Enlightenment Life List.

Let’s begin with GRACE’s Comment 223, nominating Carolyn Myss. I WOULD put her onto the Enlightenment Life List at this time.

It’s impressive to how much Myss has evolved over the years. You might get a kick out of this earlier post:

http://www.rose-rosetree.com/blog/2008/03/19/has-carolyn-myss-changed/

That said, I don’t agree with a lot of her writing. One example is a quote right from the page in GRACE’s link at Comment 223.

Myss is quoted as advising, “Always go with the choice that scares you the most, because that’s the one that is going to require the most from you.”

What about making a choice that brings joy? What about making a choice that Thrills Your Soul? What about making a choice that is positive according to research on a good sample of your chakra databanks?

Just because someone is Enlightened doesn’t mean you agree with that person. Teachers are available for students at every level of consciousness. When someone is both Enlightened and a teacher, that doesn’t mean that this person’s perspective is especially helpful for you.

Only one person can decide which teacher is helpful for you at any given time.

Continuing to research links from your Comment 224, YAN, how about Ma Anandamayi, the Hindu saint?

Yes, she goes onto that Enlightenment Life List as well.

I am impressed, YAN.

Here we are, with the biggest suspense so far on this post. YAN has found three in a row for the Enlightenment Life List.

His next nominee, from Comment 224, is Kangyur Rinpoche, Tibetan Rinpoche:

Such a dazzler! YAN, you’re up to four out of four. Thank you.

YAN, we are actually getting to the end of your Comment 224….

Here is the last nominee of this set, Tom Stone, healer and teacher. The founder of Great Life Technologies has a lot going for him but, no, at this time I wouldn’t place him on the Enlightenment Life List.

You have done great with your choices in this group, though, YAN. Any tips to share with Blog-Buddies? You did, after all, find 4 out of 6 candidates who really are spiritually Enlightened.

RENEE, in Comment 237 you proposed comedian Jerry Seinfeld.

Talented? Yes.

Have I seen and enjoyed every single episode of “The Seinfeld Show” at least once? Definitely.

But is Seinfeld Enlightened at the time of this photo? Not yet.

Completing research on your Comment 227, JORDAN, what about that fascinating Cory Booker?

Well, no, he isn’t ready yet for the Enlightenment Life List. However, he is pictured here:

http://tinyurl.com/2wdbq8y

on the cover of Life Magazine. So he doesn’t appear to be suffering from a total lack of goodies in this lifetime.

BERNIE, thanks for your Comment 231. It’s a lot more interesting for me when someone tells us all WHY a certain person is being nominated for the Enlightenment Life List.

In this case, you nominated spiritual teacher John Christian.

At this time, he isn’t ready for the Enlightenment Life List. Some of his chakra databanks ARE definitely joyful, as you mentioned.

Rose,

I too also have powerful spiritual gifts that can help people to awaken to their true blissful nature and I can sense what I call either prideful or defensive ego energy. Not one’s “personal energy” but yes I can sense it from you and it is real. I can also sense that my gifts are not honored on your blog.

It is your prerogative to run your blog as you wish. Although I believe we are all here helping each other and working together so that we may grow and evolve together – I do not believe in spiritual authorities. I do believe every human is a beautiful spark of the divine hoping to share that with the world … and that there is no separate divine in me or in you or in anyone or anything – that divine is what connects us all.

You have assigned a lot of meaning onto things I have written here most of what was automatic writing. The words I wrote really mean nothing to me as I was guided to write all of them. You can assign whatever meaning you wish that serves you.

I will be excusing myself from this blog now as I sense it is not a place for everyone to learn and grow but instead fosters concepts based on a sense of separation.

Best wishes to you on your path to enlightenment
Heather

JODY, in Comment 232 you asked about an author so many of us have read, Carlos Castaneda.

No, he wasn’t spiritually Enlightened at the time of this photo. His psychic circuits were very, very developed. Not the same thing.

Incidentally, you asked about using clairaudience as part of doing an aura reading technique. Of course this is possible. Depends on a person’s gift set and the technique being used. Stay tuned at this Blog soon for a related story about… Josh Groban.

Please, everyone, do not send me sound files or videos for this. I do this service for you ONLY with a one-click-opens link to the person you propose for the Enlightenment Life List. Unless one of you wishes to give me a time transplant of six extra hours per human day.

TRUTH SEEKER, let’s go into one question at a time in your Comment 236, starting with:

“I’ve heard that people in poor countries, like some of the ones in Africa or South America, to make up for being born in materially poor places are “spiritually compensated” or “spiritually richer”, I guess to make life easier.

“Does this notion have any merit or any thread of truth? And if so, If we were all to live a life of poverty, would that increase our chances of becoming enlightened in our present lifetime? ”

TRUTH SEEKER, I know that I have opened up a lot of discussion about Enlightenment at this blog, including this post. But the mission of this post is not to engage in philosophical banter. I am not interested in having general discussions with questions like these, not that there is anything wrong with them.

Can you see the difference between the questions cited here and my encouraging you Blog-Buddies to use your own skills for energetic literacy?

I am doing what I can to encourage all of you to become literate in this way and start checking out reality for yourselves.

You know, TRUTH SEEKER, we’ve had some rather direct conversations through comments here, and I hope I’m not offending you.

Maybe you’re thinking, what about the “Ask Mr. Enlightenment” thread?

Well, the “Ask Mr. Enlightenment” post, elsewhere, will give one person’s experiences in response to questions that have strong personal meaning, rather than being interesting conversations that aren’t really of great personal significance.

I wanted to give you’all a chance to ask THOSE questions at that part of the blog, up through Dec. 12, anyway, when that particular contest (like others we have had) officially closes.

As a TRUTH SEEKER, you have only so much time in life. I’m going to challenge you in a way I don’t often challenge people. Because you seem like a really dedicated TRUTH SEEKER, I invite you to ask yourself which questions you are truly curious about versus which ones make for a fun hobby. (What elsewhere in this thread I have called “entertainment.”)

In my 40 years so far as a New Age professional, you see, I have received many questions from people. Seems to me, some people really do want to learn. Others are just passing the time. (And there are loads of Internet resources for that, just not this blog.)

Here at this blog I respond according to my sense of the question. Usually a person does one or the other. The more sincere the question, the more time I will spend answering it.

You, however, strike me as doing BOTH, sometimes meaningful questions and sometimes interesting ways to pass the time. Because of this very unusual combo, I have responded in this highly unusual way.

If you feel in the least offended, let me know in a further comment here. I’m willing to delete this entire comment. I’m hoping you will consider it in the spirit intended and that, perhaps, it may prove helpful to other Blog-Buddies as well.

RENEE in Comment 238 you asked about Dr. Wayne Dyer. Not ready for the Enlightenment Life List, IMHO. However, he undoubtedly has the sexiest voice in New Age.

Heather,

If you truly believe what you are writing here then step up and own it as your own and share it in the spirit of learning and growing with the rest of us. I respect your views. I do not respect someone’s views who is not willing to own those views as their own but says they are little more than a puppet for some “other”. That is a syndrome that needs healing, in my opinion. Suggested in love. And, in my personal experience, Rose is an excellent healer.

I enjoy the process we’ve been fortunate to witness here on the blog — a variety of folks expressing their opinions in relation to thought-provoking topics Rose brings up or that we bring up.

There are a few dynamics that have been brought to light along the way that I’m happy to see illuminated.

One is this notion along the lines of the New Age Litany thang that everyone is supposed to agree. Heaven forbid one should have an opinion! Let alone express it passionately!

I am thoroughly enjoying the expressing of opinions and the occasional disagreement, as it helps me find my own strength in expressing certain opinions. I call that support in learning and growing.

The other dynamic that I think has had light shed on it is a certain kind of response to a stated opinion. A label, an analysis of energy, a judgmental description, call it what you will.

Whatever happened to simply disagreeing with someone’s opinion, plain and simple?

And respectfully disagreeing, at that? It’s even possible to passionately respectfully disagree — that’s even more fun! (Ever hung out with any Israelis? I think it must be considered sport for them… )

How can there be true community without some kind of healthy mechanism for disagreeing?

I don’t agree with everything Rose says. What I find healthy in all this is that she makes it clear that she doesn’t expect us to agree with her. This dynamic helps me to feel trust and safety in expressing my opinions in this forum.

I’ve discovered how I feel about a variety of topics I hadn’t really thought about sometimes because I actually don’t agree with Rose or I’ve found a nuance that works for me that she hasn’t mentioned. I call that discovery, growth, learning, and it’s exciting!

So rather than couching a differing opinion in energetic or spiritual language, why not simply state that one doesn’t agree? Why does one person’s opinion need to be taken as a personal criticism? Having been on the receiving end myself of that kind of dynamic, it sure does not feel good.

I feel like mentioning this, in this era of so much growth, discomfort, releasing of all kinds of stuff in general, given the rapid and relentless changes we’re all experiencing one way or another.

Though it can be truly a pain at times, if I find myself getting really pissed, really triggered by someone’s opinion, I see it as an opportunity to see what’s up within myself that I’m having that strong a response.

Having been spewed at myself, I decided to make this my own practice, to do my best not to spew my stuff at others.

Funny! I’ve never heard of anyone not being responsible for what they say because they’re being guided. Can’t really take any of that very seriously..

In the search for more performers, I’m wondering about Sting.

http://www.savefans.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/an-evening-with-sting-2010-world-tour-150×150.jpg

BERNIE, thanks again for your Comment 240. Both Krishnamurthy and Krishnamurti belong on the Enlightenment Life List.

Thanks for gently calling attention to my earlier confusing these men.

Winging our way through your nominees in Comment 252, YAN, YOU PROPOSED Lee Lozowick, an American spiritual teacher (and rocker).

He doesn’t yet belong on the Enlightenment Life List but has, by far, the finest tatoos of anyone yet proposed here. Check them out, or use his photo for an aura reading, Blog-Buddies:

http://leelode.customers.arjuna.be/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Lee1-e1266529440291.jpg

Oh, YAN, I can resist commenting on one last bit of your Comment 252. Related to some of your previous nominees for this list, you wrote:

“These four persons have been recognized by a LOT of people, so it’s not like I discovered them.”

You know, the whole point of this Enlightenment Life List is to refine that process of recognition.

We can have countless reasons for admiring a celebrity. We can call a celebrity “beautiful” or “wise.” We may find someone is very popular, or has won a cult-like following. Why not?” Such interesting qualities are easy to read at the surface level of life.

The celebrity may claim to be enlightened — and be enlightened… according to that person’s definition. Byron Katie, for instance, might well have a definition of “enlightenment” that fits her perfectly.

However, none of this is the least bit relevant to whether or not a person is spiritually Enlightened, as defined by aura reading research. For this, requirements are quite clear. They include:

* No STUFF in his or her chakra databanks. (That means no stuck sorrow, persistent anger, pushy personal ego, lying to people, etc. — Problems like these have definitely been found on various nominees to this list. Including yours, YAN.)

* Relative balance among chakra databanks.

* Underlying joy.

I’m happy to provide the service of screening candidates for our Enlightenment Life List here at Deeper Perception Made Practical. But this is just intended as a useful kind of preview for every single one of you Blog-Buddies.

Every single one of you has a complete gift set for aura reading in depth and detail, full Stage 3 Energetic Literacy. Sooner or later, you can do exactly this kind of research. So can everyone.

I do believe that a bit deeper into the Third Millennium, this level of basic energetic literacy will be found to be as commonplace as… Gutenberg Literacy is right now. (Because, for most people on earth, the opportunity to learn to read became “no big deal” by the end of the Second Millennium. It’s just a skill set that most people learn.)

If you can read this screen, you can learn to read someone’s aura from a regular photograph on this screen. Color or black-and-white. No biggie!

If you can read all the words in this sentence, you can learn Stage 3 Energetic Literacy, where you read different chakra databanks, one at a time, at will. Compare and contrast them to check out whether a person is spiritually Enlightened? No biggie!

For those of you who are curious about the practical uses of researching a person’s aura in depth from photos, you might consider that my latest book was written just for you.

“Magnetize Money with Energetic Literacy” is packed with profiles of business leaders and success experts. I connect the dots between certain common patterns found with people’s chakra databanks and a person’s financial success in the world.

Since you have been following our Enlightenment Life List, I think you’ll find especially interesting the profiles of the Enlightened… and near-Enlightened… and not-remotely-Enlightened… in
“Magnetize Money with Energetic Literacy.”

GRACE, your Comment 254 included another nominee I like a lot, singing great Tony Bennett.

The photo you sent was a bit hard to read. Not so much the blue lighting but the fact that Bennett was performing at the time, so he had an extra dollop of Divine blessing rushing through him — typical for a really world-class performer.

Still, hunting around underneath that is my idea of a fun adventure. And I have to say that I DO find him to be Enlightened, even if hanging out alone on a Sunday morning playing nothing more demanding than “Couch Potato.”

Behold #92 on our Enlightenment Life List, thanks to you, Grace.

GRACE, in Comment 268 you asked about Sharon Osberg, a dear friend and bridge partner to Warren Buffett. The two of them play with Bill Gates.

She is a techie wiz? Lucky her!

Even better, YES, I do consider her spiritually Enlightened. Or, as we might say, #93 on the Enlightenment Life List. Excellent!

GRACE, your latest nominee for the Enlightenment Life List came from Comment 269.

What about Sting?

I think I can see why you nominated him. The man has an intensely compelling presence. But this isn’t due to Enlightenment so much as the extreme sexual charge that he brings to life.

It’s a fascinating assortment of chakra databanks, as a result.

Now, about Dr. Klinghart, TRUTH SEEKER, also with a link provided in your Comment 270, no, he isn’t ready for the Enlightenment Life List, not at this time.

Hello Rose,

I have enjoyed reading this blog. John of God is a powerful healer. Is he also Enlightened?

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/sep4/joaodeus.htm

Thanks,

Julie

About #94, Brahmarishi Deverath.

This wonderful, renowned Rig Veda is the guy who made audio and video recordings for Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in 1970-1971.

So if you ever took the TM-Sidhi program, and have spent hours “on the foam” listening to the required recordings of Rig Veda and Sama Veda, you have heard this wonderful man.

I was in his presence daily for months during my TM Teacher Training Course in Mallorca, Spain. On the day Maharishi met with me to formally “make me an Initiator,” this gloriously craggy looking man came over and spoke to me.

If you ever have the chance to hear a recording with him chanting the Vedas, have a listen. To my perception… he would be present, singing as a kind of running commentary as he witnessed (higher than three mere dimensions) the gods being described in the words of the hymns.

Can you please check Drunvalo Melchizedek? Thanks!

http://www.drunvalo.net/bio.html

This person makes very big claims indeed (I LIKE very big claims), and they require VERY SUBSTANTIAL lifestyle changes.

Because I’m reading the new money book, Magnetize Money with Energetic Literacy (too little money—need more), I’m worried about my own possible “spiritual addiction” (who, me??????) I’m worried that’s WHY I like people like this.

So, as a safety check, is this magnificent person Enlightened ???? (I have only 0.5 energy literacy—not level 1).

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.som.org/3library/interviews/images/orr.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.som.org/8interfaith/orr.htm&usg=__TvOC6kC0tZZ6Xkj76vsTYRuoR2g=&h=476&w=568&sz=25&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=2bOwRhvZZMgX5M:&tbnh=149&tbnw=189&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dleonard%2Borr%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D861%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=140&vpy=78&dur=4221&hovh=205&hovw=245&tx=160&ty=131&ei=v3kVTcudOoKcsQOIl7SECg&oei=v3kVTcudOoKcsQOIl7SECg&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0

Speaking of Wikipedia, here’s a volunteer project for some of you Blog-Buddies like Jim with some academic training. You know what ISN’T at Wikipedia?

Rose Rosetree.

As in the only trademarked systems of their kind in America:

* Aura Reading Through All Your Senses(R), and what aura reading means, definitions of energetic literacy, that auras can be read in detail from regular photos, etc.

* 12 Steps to Cut Cords of Attachment(R), although surely you will find plenty of other healing methods at Wikipedia. Why not such an important one?

* Face Reading Secrets(R). It is amazing, in a way, that the 5,000-year-old art has only one trademarked system in the U.S. But the version of physiognomy I developed is very different from other types.

* Empath Empowerment(R). Just try checking out the word “empath” at Wikipedia. You will find nothing.

Don’t you think that’s kind of sad? I do, as a pioneer in this field. A field where most people still think about “Empath skills” as “boundary work.” A field where someone seeking information at Wikipedia would learn NOTHING about what it means to become a skilled empath or do an intentional empath merge.

Of course, I am not allowed to cite my books at Wikipedia, but you’all could.

Here it is, Christmas Day, and I’m taking a break from family festivities to enable the latest comments and add a fun new quick post. Santa Claus brought me some wonderful gifts, but nowhere in that giant sack were any Wikipedia entries.

So if you’re in a gifting mood, and know how to write Wiki-style, go ahead and give the Internet (as well as me) a good step forward.

What about Robert Bruce, expert of ‘Out of Body’ experiences and founder of the online AstralDynamics forum:

http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/about-robert.html

Here we go, KATHERINE, in response to your Comment 294. You asked about Panache Desai.

Although this man has tremendous charm and charisma, he doesn’t appear to me to be ready yet for the Enlightenment Life List.

GRACE, thanks for your Comment 296. Let’s start with your nominee Rita Wilson.

Wonderful? Yes.
Interesting? Yes.
Authentic? Yes.
Enlightened so far? Nope. Not to my experience of her via energetic literacy.

Hi Rose,

I have really enjoyed following this thread! If you are still continuing to with this–may I ask you to please check and see if you would add Jason Shulman to your list? He is a spiritual teacher and healer. Many thanks and wishing you a wonderful 2011!

http://www.kabbalah.org/Whois_Jason.html

http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Shulman/1666987489

I am not here to start arguments of any sort, but I want to ask you this. Rose, Why do you feel that you have the required traits to determine who has/has not reached that phase? I’m not saying that you have made false claims about your ability to see Auras, I am simply asking why? If you have obtained this gift, as I have, then use it for the purpose it is intended for dear…Progression. The first step in repairing yourself is identifying the problems. Use your ability to single out trouble areas, once realized you can then take the necessary steps to fix that, while maintaining the balance.

Although the Turquoise/Violet suits your Mindset quite well. You are a gift to these people, many thanks.

-Bless, may peace be upon Us.

Wow, AMY, thank you so much. And your help couldn’t have come on a better day. So appreciated!

BOBBY, the words cited by AMY seemed VERY useful in response to your question. They do come directly from me, actually.

ELAINE, how sweet. Thank you for ringing those chimes of yours.

Mitch and I had chimes for the music at our wedding. I definitely like chimes!

And I also want to acknowledge, on the first Monday of this new year and new decade, how very much I appreciate the comments from all of you. The level of conversation here is an inspiration to me.

Long ago I volunteered to serve as a spiritual teacher and healer… no matter what. For some of these 41 years, many of the people I tried to help were NOT an unalloyed delight. Although most have been, especially since around 1990. As for you’all, who comment regularly here at this blog?

Let me count some of the ways you delight me: Thoughtfulness, curiosity, intelligence, kindness, civility, perceptiveness, curiosity to explore.

Beyond that, I feel a true and mutual supportiveness as all of us move forward together toward our personal goals — be your goal Enlightenment or something else, whatever your own beliefs and self-authority hold most dear. These are the qualities you Blog-Buddies regularly share with this online community.

Had I known what sort of people you’all would have turned out to be, I might have called this blog “Deeper Perception Made SWEET.”

Oh! I just read Rose’s request for a Wiki entry. Recently I googled ‘empath’ and was really disappointed in the lack of info, and what little info there was, that wasn’t related to Dungeons and Dragons (LOL a fun role-playing game game, but that’s not really what an empath is) was incorrect. I feel that Rose’s website should come up first on a Google search for ‘Empath’ because this website is one of the few that does the term full justice.

I also checked out Wikipedia and was disappointed again. If no one else is taking you up on this necessary request Rose, I would be glad to help.

I don’t know much about posting entries to Wiki, but I’m pretty comfortable with computers and the internet so I think I can figure it out

I feel that something like this would be VERY important!

I agree with Ashley. I just saw the post yesterday also about Wikipedia.

So I think we should get something up there.

I believe once a post at Wikipedia is in place, it can be added to and edited by anyone to add to the information.

Hi Rose. About Enlightenment – in a recent comment you described Enlightenment as the culmination of many, many lifetimes. So I’m wondering – are these all very, very old souls on the list?

Does being an old soul make it easier to reach Enlightenment (a wisdom oomph, or something?)? Are old souls just more motivated? Is there a difference in the quality of Enlightenment of an ancient soul and a not-so-ancient soul? What patterns have you picked up on?

Thanks for answering this, if you have the time!!

I feel rather confused when I read posts by people like Bobby. I went through my own spiritual psychosis when I was very ‘out there’ and confused and bigging myself up, and I was SO very convinced of my experiences and so very lost in them, it’s heartbreaking to me now. When I see it (with different flavours, obviously) mirrored in other people I’m called to really love myself.

From the viewpoint of having been somewhere similar, it was horrific. It was not horrific for the reasons I would have given at the time (a key theme being other people not getting me and my siddhis, as Bobby has demonstrated a few times on this blog), it was horrific because I was full of stuff, open to all sorts of nasties, thoroughly ungrounded and non-objective and burdened by these terrible thoughts.

So when I read things which have a similar flavour I’m made to look back and reevaluate what happened to me then.

What I will say is that I can’t condemn Bobby, obviously, and nor can I write him off. Look at me. I was in a similar place just six years ago and I’m SO far from it now. I think my soul was INCREDIBLY brave to volunteer for that crazy space because it might look a little bit ‘ew’ from outside, but from the inside it’s truly horrible.

There can be a stage when spiritual siddhis come and take over and objective balance and grounding is lost. The incredible capacities of the human mind can come out, and they are very subjectively real. A lot of the recovery is about physical focus, ordinary life focus and refusing to entertain that space – choosing every day to be human not divine. This is a wonderful muscle to build up and being somewhere like that is a wonderful incentive to get working on that.

I still have to get over my cringes about it though, now and then, and like I say when I see it in action I still get confused and uncomfortable.

I actually appreciate the fact that Rose doesn’t censor these kind of posts, that people on this blog are good enough to speak back to Bobby and challenge him (a lot of people just left me to it and that is NOT helpful at all) and I think that Bobby will be here for a reason.

Amanda

http://www.braco.net/?page_id=46

Rose, would you mind checking out Braco, a “gazer” from Croatia???

Thanks, Rose. I knew I had a “bad feeling” about him. Just makes me feel stronger about trusting my own self authority.

Hello Rose,
I’m wondering about the lovely being Dr. Mark Pitstick.
Here’s his photo:
http://www.soulproof.com/DrMarkPittstick.jpg
Thanks!
~Anne

Mr. Enlightenment also mentioned Thomas Merton.

Here’s a photo:

http://www.monks.org/images/merton_1.jpg

But of course! I read all of Merton’s books I could find back in the 70′s, long before being able to research an Enlightenment Life List!

Whoa.. wait a sec.. Alan Watts was enlightened??? I thought about asking about him but I figured that everyone on the list had to be alive.

This is incredible to me because Alan Watts was an alcoholic. Many claimed that Alan couldn’t be enlightened because of his alcoholism.

In comment 295 I asked if wonderful Robert Bruce was Enlightened. The reason why I asked about him is because he claims that he can produce a Kundalini Rising/Awakening at will. He has done it several times in fact.

However, as wonderful Rose has stated, he is not Enlightened.

So, perhaps Kundalini DOES NOT EQUAL Enlightenment. Fascinating!

Ashley, I only just noticed your comment.

Yes, scary! It sounds similar. Mine lasted six months and I kept becoming the Tao.

Afterwards I gave up all spiritual practice and moved to the country. I was not in good shape. Since then it’s been a question of looping my way down. Grounding, grounding, grounding. It’s been so nice.

I still haven’t felt any interest even in doing a skilled empath merge except on one or two of the Enlightened people on this post. My focus now is on peace and balance. Hence my happiness finding this blog!

Amanda

Guess he was a REALLY GOOD alcoholic, CAROL.

There are mysteries about the actions of people I think of as Enlightened.

For instance, I think of Yogi Bhajan, Kripalu, Swami Satchitananda, all of who were caught up in sex scandals at one time or another.

It is a deep mystery for sure. Worthy of calling in Mr. Enlightenment. Jeffrey, what do you think?

Okay, to make the shouting easier, I’ll cut and paste these two comments onto the latest “Ask Mr. Enlightenment” chunk over here:

http://www.rose-rosetree.com/blog/2011/01/21/brave-questions-from-you-compassionated-answers-from-mr-enlightenment/

Ah, ASHLEY (herself wonderful!), what you have written about Kundalini being independent from Enlightenment does mesh with my understanding, as well as what Mr. Enlightenment wrote elsewhere at this blog.

It would be very appreciated if you have a chance to look at Anna Wise. She died last year.

Anna Wise researched the brainwave patterns of altered states of consciousness during meditation, especially states of consciousness associated with bliss and self-realization.

So sorry. This webpage with a picture of her disallowed me from linking to the pic directly:
http://www.enlightenedhorsemanship.net/tag/httpannawise-com/

Hello Rose –

I have an enlightenment candidate for consideration – BKS Iyengar:

http://www.yogainusa.com/images/bksi.jpg
or
http://www.bksiyengar.com/

Thank you!

Thanks, SRAMA, for sharing your thoughts and directing us to your website. Clearly this is no casual hobby for you, caring about what Enlightenment requires and doing what you can to bring this to earth.

Just for the record, I don’t know exactly how you got the idea that I define Enlightenment as “energetic maturity.”

When I research candidates for the Enlightenment Life List, I’m checking for the full use of that person’s gifts, energetic resourcefulness, balance between different chakra databanks, absence of STUFF, having components of being human being fully as strong as spiritual connection and BLISS.

What do you think it feels like on the inside, having all of that in place? If your guess is “ego consciousness,” you might want to guess again.

Srama,

I really enjoyed reading your response, (above), and it is certainly worth pondering. I love the idea of leaving the door open to the possibilty that there may be aspects of consciousness not fully apparent to our current state of understanding. Well said.

Next on to responding to Comment 337, with ASHLEY S’s inquiry about Anna Wise. Her research sure sounds important and fascinating. The photo link supplied is this one:

http://www.enlightenedhorsemanship.net/tag/httpannawise-com/

Now, ASHLEY, this woman is off-the-charts brilliant and has so much going for her. At this time, however, Enlightenment (as I would define it) isn’t part of the profile.

Rose, thank you for researching BKS Iyengar! I am reading one of his books right now and always like to “consider the source.”

Mitch has me on the waiting list for an appointment, so hope to see you soon!

ANONYMOUS, thank you for proposing Hajo Banzhaf, the German author on tarot and astrology.

I eagerly looked him up at:

http://www.tarot.de/img/HajoBanzhaf.jpg

because we are getting close to 100 people on that Enlightenment Life List. Brainy man, with fabulous psychic abilities — still, IMHO, he’s not eligible yet for the Enlightenment Life List.

Incidentally, to this face reader, Banzhaf has one glorious mark of devotion and THREE anger flags, two on his right and one on his left.

Hello Rose, I have another nominee for the Enlightenment Life List. I hope he might fare better than my previous submissions!

Here is Mooji. He is a spiritual teacher of the Adwaita Vedanta persuasion:

http://www.mooji.org/gallery/ganga5.jpg

I’ve watched many of his Youtube videos and he seems to radiate a deep peace and joy… I’d be very interested to learn if he qualifies or is near to qualifying for your list…

On another note, I was excited to learn you’re coming to UK. I do hope to attend one of your workshops…

Hi Rose,

I was so captivated by your blog I read it all in one sitting/standing. I just finished and although I am tired now, but I am compelled to see if I could find #99 or even better #100 on the list.

Can you please check if Hermann Mueller is a candidate?

http://harmonybodyandmind.com.au/App_Content/public/hermann.aspx

Now, I know that you already checked out a picture of Deepak. However, since we seem to share the belief that the timing of the picture could make all the difference, I am hoping you would mind checking out this picture.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=8348&id=100001716932360#!/photo.php?fbid=105015392899025&set=a.105013922899172.8348.100001716932360&theater

Thanks a bunch in advance!
Kindest Regards,
Tracy

Hi Rose,
I started doing a little face reading myself within the past year. I am still a work in progress. However, this gentleman below that did not make the list. You did comment on his devotion mark and his anger flags. I just wanted to add that I thought the most pronounced “out of balance” feature was his floating irises. If you have time I was just curious what you thought about that.

http://www.tarot.de/img/HajoBanzhaf.jpg

Thanks again for your time and generosity!
Tracy ♥

Good Morning, Rose,

Thank you for welcoming me to your online community. In time, I will definitely check out what you have graciously made available in hopes of helping others. But, I will be honest with you in saying that this blog was running though my mind all night! :-/ It was an emotional roller coaster for me.

With all the different vibrations wonderfully chiming in. I (which is no surprise to those who know me) really had to practice some major self-control in order to wait until I got to the end to made a comment!

After just reading this blog, and opening the attachments that are on this blog, I believe there is a reason that I came across you and your website… as I “do not” believe in coincidence.

I feel you need to know that… I googled the words “empath book” and your site was the “first one” on the list. Know that although “to me” that does not make a difference or mean anything. I thought your name was cute and clicked away!

Right away, I seen you had blogs and thought.. what a great way to see what your personality/energy is like. Which brings me to here.

I have “so” much that I would like to share with you, from my own personal experience on the subject of Enlightenment. However, out of respect for the flow of your blog.. I realize that this is not the forum.

I reread my posts this morning and thought to myself, “You are a maniac Tracy.” I had many typos! Sadly the biggest typo was the name I submitted. How are my going to act :-/.

Out of respect for him, I will spell it again… Hermann Muller. He puts two dots above his “u”, but I have no idea how to do that!

Thanks again for your time, this blog, and all that you do in the spirit of love, and trying to help others. To me it is all about “intention” and “motives”.. and if those come from a place of love/kindness with an open heart, then that is “all” that really matters.
With much respect and gratitude,

Tracy ♥

Thanks, TRACY, for Comment 357. How great that you googled “Empath book,” because if you just googled “Empath” or “book” or searched at Amazon.com, you wouldn’t have found me so easily.

As for the two-dot problem, that’s called an “umlaut” in German and it’s not on my keyboard either. Sometimes people compensate by adding an “e” as in “Mueller” and sometimes they try to fudge their way through it, as in “Muller,” but no worries either way.

Hey, Rose, for your edification, should you need the ϋ in the future, it’s in Word (as are many such off-beat symbols, etc.), under Insert and then Symbols.

Im still curious about Ken Wilbur….

Hi Rose, I’m reading a book by Geoff Boltwood who is a psychic healer from the UK and wonder if he is Enlightened.

http://www.123people.com/s/geoff+boltwood

Thanks Rose, I know you’re busy. When you get a chance!

Hi Rose, would you mind checking ADI Dam ?? Heard amazing things about him today.
http://www.adidam.org/

How about Winfried Noé? He is a noted European astrologer.

Note to face readers: He has a very unusual face.

http://www.wunderweib.de/media/redaktionell/wunderweib/astrowoche_11/basisteaserbilder/heftthemen/492010/prophezeiungen-noe-h.jpg

Gladys, and all of you Blog-Buddies who have been waiting so patiently, I haven’t forgotten about your important and interesting questions.

The tricky part about going out of town is that after returning there is a huge amount of catch-up work that awaits, and I’m still doing that.

This Enlightenment Life List is an important service project for all you Blog-Buddies, also a personally fascinating research project as a long-time spiritual seeker. So rest assured I will be responding to all your questions above.

And don’t be shy about adding new inquiries, one comment and one-click link at a time.

RENEE, that will be fun. Barbara was on three different courses with me, back in the day when we were becoming teachers of Transcendental Meditation. I have spent months in courses with her, although we exchanged only a few words.

Like all of you who have submitted people for me to research here, RENEE, please be patient with me as I am doing what I can to find time for this rather time-consuming kind of research. It isn’t like any other part of the blog, where I can respond to comments as quickly as I can write them, based on existing knowledge.

I’m also really curious about Sylvia Browne. She ought to be Enlightened. Otherwise how could she write such entertaining books?

Photo link is supplied, of course. Thanks!

http://www.hauntmastersclub.com/files/sylvia_browne.gif

No problem Rose, thank you.

Okay, Blog-Buddies. In a conversation with Arlene, The Groovy Psychiatrist, a request came up to research an eminent psychiatrist at Yale, Dr. Andres Martin.

He made the list. You can find his photo, with link, as #99 on the Enlightenment Life List. Now on to responding to more of the questions that have come in over recent months!

BERNIE, finally I can comment on is Mooji. He is a spiritual teacher of the Adwaita Vedanta persuasion whom you proposed in Comment 351.

http://www.mooji.org/gallery/ganga5.jpg

Wow! Handsome! Sweet smile! A molecular empath! And very, very evolved. However, he isn’t quite ready yet for the Enlightenment Life List.

Back then, BERNIE, you were planning to see me when I was doing sessions and workshops at the London College of Psychic Studies. Did you come? Have I met you. It was such a delightful group of people in workshops and sessions. I very much want to go back next year.

Thanks for checking on Twyla Tharp. Too bad she didn’t make the list, but yes, she sure does seem to be connected with her power! The Creative Habit is a wonderful book. Thanks for asking about it so that I could be prompted to pick it up again.

One of the exercises following the chapter entitled “Your Creative DNA” is “Pick a New Name.”

I’ll share a bit more when I have more time, but one part I really like is this passage:

“The essayist Joseph Epstein has noted, ‘A radical change in one’s name seems in most cases a betrayal – of one’s birthright, of one’s group, of one’s identity.’ I don’t agree. In a sense it’s a commitment to a higher personal calling. And it’s not uncommon among creative souls.”

In Comment 353, TRACY also asked this very intelligent question:

“I know that you already checked out a picture of Deepak. However, since we seem to share the belief that the timing of the picture could make all the difference, I am hoping you would mind checking out this picture.”

Then, unfortunately, she sent a link to a Facebook picture. Sorry, Tracy, but I have a policy about submissions for the free service I provide at this part of the blog.

For any candidate, you would need to send me a one-click link. I will not need to stop and enter a social networking or other website, dig up or create a password, etc.

Often you can get around this kind of limitation by going to the photo you have found. Then right click on it to bring up PROPERTIES. Copy that, because it can serve as a link. Test it. Then if it works, submit that in your request.

Thanks for understanding my human time limits, TRACY and other Blog-Buddies.

In Commenht 362, JEANINE asked about Keith Sherwood.

After researching his aura, do I think he is Enlightened?

Close, Jeanine. He’s still got quite a bit of STUFF, though. So I don’t consider him ready yet for the Enlightenment Life List.

Thanks also to GLADYS for her asking about him.

What is the difference between knowing about Enlightenment, being well on the way to Enlightenment, and actually being spiritually Enlightened?

Everybody on earth has the potential to slip into an experience of transcendence, or big spiritual consciousness, a sense of Oneness, etc.

Sometimes this is called “A peak experrience.”

Wonderful! Life changing!

But for someone to be spiritually Enlightened, more is needed than to have such experiences. Or even to have a method for having such experiences on a regular basis. Or to be able to teach about such experiences.

Enlightenment is a state of consciousness, supported by physiology, and showing clearly in a person’s auric modeling — those hundreds upon hundreds of chakra databanks you can read about in many parts of this blog.

When I research a candidate for the Enlightenment Life List, I research a representative sample of the person’s chakra databank and stop when I find ones that aren’t doing well.

Sometimes, quite quickly on, I find major deposits of STUFF like anger, sexual shame, outsourcing to the intellect, etc.

Anything like that disqualifies a person from being on the Enlightenment Life List quite yet.

Another common problem with candidates for this list is that spiritual connection is lovely… but human life has been ignored, so hundreds of chakra databanks related to being a reasonably balanced human being aren’t working at all.

While the teacher or writer is serving humanity, doing beautiful sacred work, this may not be obvious… unless you also are able to read that person’s aura.

Which, of course, I aim to help you’all to do. Right via this blog! Through my books! Through workshops! Through personal mentoring!

It’s only a form of literacy, but like Gutenberg literacy, developing it takes some time and practice. Even living in the age of Twitter, with colosssal impatience and multi-tasking as ways of life for many, that doesn’t alter the fact.

For real energetic literacy, it takes most mortals some time to develop.

Similarly, great though a teacher or healer might be, that doesn’t mean the person is spiritually Enlightened.

You can’t fast track your way to Enlightenment by understanding a few key ideas and then annointing yourself. Sorry!

RENEE, in Comment 367 you also asked about ADI Dam.

May I be blunt? Considering that his website proclaims that he considers himself not only Enlightened but an Avatar….

He isn’t an Avatar. And he isn’t Enlightened, not according to my criteria anyway.

RENEE asked about Barbara DeAngelis, now a Hay House author. I used this link, since the original one sent back at Commment 372 wasn’t working. Usually I’m so very strict about asking you’all to send current, one-click links. But, as noted in an earlier comment, I was curious about Barbara, since I spent months with her on TM courses and talked with her a bit back in the day.

So I used this photo link: