What makes a comment special enough to be promoted to its own post? For starters, a well written point of view on a topic of interest to this online community.
Usually I agree a whole lot with the opinions expressed in a guest post. Not always. Sometimes I disagree (even quite strongly) but want to air perspectives that contrast to mine.
After all, this blog is about DEEPER Perception, not some fantasized ROSE ROSETREE’S OMNISCIENT Perception.
Definitely, a comment considered as guest post material will always be a fairly long, with a well developed sequence of ideas.
Well, hello! Hello! Two such guest post-worthy comments have arrived close together, comments from DANA and LARA that make superb points.
For a while, this morning, I tried to decide which one to add today, which guest post to save for tomorrow. Then I thought, “Why make us wait? Both of these are so very good.”
Thought-provoking ideas indeed! I can’t wait to read your reactions, Blog-Buddies.
Celibate gurus, sexual predators, Enlightenment…
Oy veh, so much to consider!
Speaking of which, let’s shift the thread from our last post, Enlightenment Scandals, a Guest Post by Mike , to here. Please comment below to participate in the continuing conversation on themes like:
- Does Enlightenment make a teacher sexually trustworthy?
- Can Aura Reading (Energy Literacy) reveal sexual untrustworthiness?
- Is ever okay for a celibate guru or priest to become sexually involved in a secret affair?
- Are sexually active gurus the same as a sexual predator like Jimmy Saville?
- How is Householder Enlightenment different from Renunciate Enlightenment?
- When a sociopath runs a cult dedicated to Enlightenment, can you really expect sexual ethics?
- Has an Enlightened guru fully surrendered to the Divine?
Get ready now for some words of wisdom, first from Blog-Buddy DANA and then from Enlightenment Life Lister, LARA. As usual, I just added headings, minor edits, and some links. Thank you so much, LARA and DANA.
DANA brings clarity first.
Who are we calling “Enlightened” here?
My understanding so far is that Enlightenment means that STUFF doesn’t stick to your aura and, in each chakra databank, there is joy present.
Nowhere in that definition does it say how you should live or act. It seems like you would just be free to choose, not bound by STUFF stuck in your aura, debilitating illusions about who you are and what you can do.
Enlightenment, then, wouldn’t mean celibacy, monogamy, or any “ideal” about sex. Of course I am 100% against sexual abuse of any kind. I’m just saying that I don’t think Enlightenment would make you less humanly sexual in any way.
It seems like there is an Enlightenment Ideal out there, in spiritual circles, in which Enlightenment means you become not human: no big emotions, no sexual interest, a disinterest in the physical. (The Renunciate Enlightenment Ideal?)
The only problem with that is that any Enlightened human is still… human. Enlightened people don’t spontaneously ascend/disappear into another dimension. So if you’re human, you still have emotions, thoughts, beliefs, and a fully functioning body.
Highly-charged topics about sex and Enlightenment
Also I think it would be helpful in this thread to clarify a few things.
- Jimmy Saville was NOT enlightened.
- Most Catholic priests are NOT enlightened.
- Most gurus are NOT enlightened. (For examples, see nominees for Rose’s Enlightenment Life List.)
- Just because someone’s organization tells them they’re not allowed to have sex, it doesn’t mean that they no longer have sexual urges or that ignoring those urges over a lifetime is healthy for them individually.
- If someone from #4 has sex (no abuse involved), it is still called a “sex scandal.”
- Gurus who have non-monogamous sex are NOT necessarily sexual predators.
It is important to not lump together all “people involved in media ‘sex scandals.’” To be better informed, energetic literacy is critical in reading each person individually at relevant chakra databanks.
Now for Lara’s Guest Post on Enlightenment and Sex
It just occurred to me that people here are sooooo respectful, thoughtful, kind to each other here. I don’t know, its different to so many other blogs. Its never stressful reading people’s comments here even when they are disagreeing, it’s always interesting and kind.
I also can’t understand how someone could be Enlightened and abusive. A guru taking advantage of a devotee disgusts me.
But… I can imagine an Enlightened guru, wanting something, and taking advantage of an devotee.
Because being Enlightened you can still have agendas, get angry, annoyed, think “Oh I was mean to that person.” etc.
In Enlightenment, there is not deliberate maliciousness. Just the usual responses.
Far fewer things trigger you and the feelings don’t linger and attach to you.
It also depends what stage of Enlightenment you are in.
But even, or maybe especially in bliss you can have a profound insensitivity to others because of the expansiveness of the state.
There can be a massive detachment from the human condition and a perspective that accepts all things as perfect.
You sit there high like you are on drugs, doing things is difficult and anyway not important, if someone is being raped right next to you, well, that’s all part of the whole which is perfection and there is no urge to interfere at all.
Lara (who lives Householder Enlightenment) imagines:
What if she were an enlightened celibate guru?
So! I put myself in the mind of a guru.
- I am Enlightened.
- I am respected and worshiped by people whom I really adore and love.
- I feel oneness with them.
- I want to devote myself to God, who is in all those around me who have put me on a pedestal.
Well perhaps my ego is miniscule, but I haven’t given up all identity yet.
And I am a bit used to this pedestal.
And no matter how much I live in my upper chakras, I still have sexual energy which occasionally flows sometimes more than usual.
And, well, here is a lovely devotee and she loves me and I love her and we have a special interaction, based on pure intentions and feelings, it’s all good.
Who has the right to judge a consensual love affair?
I have no idea what goes on in their heads, the Enlightened guru and the sexually eager devotee.
But I can imagine that scenario.
Sure, this could be considered irresponsible and inappropriate, given the different relative positions of guru and devotee.
Sure, this could be considered taking advantage.
It still could happen with an Enlightened person.
About that ideal of celibacy in Renunciate Enlightenment
As a side note, I really don’t think fully surrendering to the Divine sublimates or erases sexual energy.
I (in fact it becomes magnificent and flows between you and all things enlivening everything), and I really don’t think its something to aim for, but then I am a householder!