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Ethics for healers, like fixing furniture?

 

Not every day does a comment at this blog win the game of “Stump the Host.” But such a wildly historic event did occur on Monday, November 15, 2010.

In response to my post about ethics for healers, PRIMROSE wrote:

I’m not really getting this. I don’t see why it’s unethical to say “I think you have this, I’m sorry I can’t help you with it”.

Okay, this is about furniture, not healing, but if I see a client and they have a piece of furniture that needs mercury gilding I say to them “This needs mercury gilding, sorry I don’t do that kind of work because it’s too dangerous, and I don’t know anyone who does it either”.

And that’s the truth. I know what needs doing to the furniture, but I can’t do it. If I didn’t tell them what kind of gilding they needed or that it’s dangerous, or that it’s virtually impossible to get mercury gilding done these days, I wouldn’t be telling them the truth as I know it.

So.. I’m wondering why exactly it’s so bad for healers who aren’t able to heal to point out what’s wrong. If I know what’s wrong, I don’t need a healer to hold my hand and get me a referral, I can seek out help myself.

Why healing isn’t necessarily the same as mercury gilding

Primrose and other Blog-Buddies who feel the same way, I’m going to try to help you understand my perspective about ethics. According to which it is not appropriate to tell people random observations about their problems on the level of auras unless you either heal them or make a referral to someone who can.

Blog-Buddies, just like yesterday in the blog COMMENTS section, I still invite your assistance. Because this topic is so extremely charged for me, maybe I don’t do a particularly good job of understanding why this idea isn’t “obvious” to everyone.

Anyway, here goes. Using Primrose’s furniture analogy. And equating New Age systems like Reiki, psychic readings, spiritual readings, spiritual healing, Energy Spirituality, Energy Medicine or Energy Psychology… to fixing furniture:

Describing problems yet unfixed in furniture is not dangerous to furniture because:

1. Unlike people, a piece of furniture does not have feelings.

Furniture will not worry and even become obsessed with fixing a problem.

Many of you Blog-Buddies are familiar with the trap of becoming over-subjective. Last I heard, furniture may not be able to walk or talk, but it has one clear advantage over us humans. At least it won’t topple over due to being over-subjective, worried out of all sense of proportion, etc.

I mean, really, when is the last time you saw a desk wake up, sweating, at three in the morning?

2. Even a fine antique desk, some museum quality masterpiece, can have flaws.

If, like us, furniture COULD worry about flaws, it might inwardly enlarge these flaws through “spiritual hypochondria.” (A term you can search for at this blog, if you’re interested.)

Warning that desk about real flaws, or flaws that do not even exist, could make life hell for that desk. (Ooh, how I am beginning to enjoy this analogy!)

So many of my clients suffer. A lot. I have been known to suffer, as well.

Now, thanks to this analogy, I can start to make that smug, silly desk suffer. 😉

3. To some extent, furniture repair is obvious. Unlike repairing problems with a human’s subtle energies.

Truly, horrendously incompetent practitioners at furniture repair don’t stay in business for long. The desk doesn’t risk being given wrong information from a practitioner who is very, very mistaken. A practitioner whose chairs have no seats, for instance — how long will he be able to get away with bragging about his Very Sophisticated Look?

Yet the level of aura reading is different. Here at this blog, we have an Enlightenment Life List — actually, it’s our most popular post. (Actually, I have a fair amount of catching up with comments to do there. I haven’t forgotten. I meant to do this today, rather than write a new blog post. One day soon, I will get to that part, promise. Especially because when I read the newspaper this morning at breakfast, there was a photo of singer Josh Groban. Never saw him before but woo-hoo! I stopped and read his aura along with taking my vitamins. That guy sure is going onto that Enlightenment Life List as soon as I have a chance to open it up.)

Anyway, people propose all kinds of candidates for that Enlightenment Life List. Blog-Buddies like Daisy are so very, very sure about the Enlightenement of a notorious cult leader like, Osho, a.k.a. Rajneesh. Other candidates proposed include the guy whose website calls him an avatar and something like “The world’s youngest enlightened person.” Then Blog-Buddies are hugely disappointed when I share that, using energetic literacy, no, these people are NOT Enlightened, not quite yet.

If glorious spiritual Enlightenment is hard to identify, that’s nothing compared to the confusion people can have about problems like astral entities, need for spirit removal, cords of attachment, frozen blocks from other lifetimes, etc. Many healers who freely “diagnose” can’t even tell these problems apart, don’t know what the different problems actually are. Many healers lack the knowledge to make any kind of intelligent referral. But scare a nice desk like Daphne? Sure, they can do that.

Okay, now I’m calling that desk “Daphne.” Well, why not?

4. Consequences of receiving a correct diagnosis of ailments that require Energy Medicine, Energy Psychology, or Energy Spirituality.

Say that our desk, Daphne, is told about a problem that really does exist, say “Ladybug infestation.”

Say further that the furniture and pest control fields are so unregulated today, lacking any standards whatsoever, our frantic desk might go to 15 different “practitioners” before finding one who is competent to heal those ladybugs.

What Primrose has called “hand holding” by referring to a competent practitioner is what I call “Being responsible.” Try googling a term like “cut cords of attachment.” I just did. Google turned up 484,000 hits. (Gee, still up from 30 hits, when I published Cut Cords of Attachment in 2007.)

Is it responsible to turn Daphne loose on all the practitioners she might find at random? Check out the advice at “The Number 1 Source for Daily Life Advice,” which came up on the first page of hits for “cut cords of attachment.” Elizabeth Farrell tells you to visualize yourself holding a golden pair of scissors.

5. Bogus warnings can set off plenty of scary Google searches

And to make this analogy more complete, ladybugs aren’t even particularly dangerous. Say that Daphne’s particular furniture maker was, mostly, showing off.

So, oops, he conflated seeing one ladybug with “Danger, danger, ladybug infestation!”

Not every expert at furniture restoration has the skills of Primrose. Not in this analogy. Not by a long shot.

But will being given wrong information keep Daphne from spending loads of time and money. Or, perhaps, years of visualizing scissors that do nothing? (Although there really is something pretty amusing about a thought bubble coming out of a desk, whether it contains useless but pretty scissors or anything else.)

6. No penalty for incompetence?

Sure, their karma to meet a similar practitioner oneself. But what about immediate karma, from someone like Daphne? That won’t happen unless, as I suggested in yesterday’s post, every consumer of Reiki, psychic readings, spiritual healing, energy healing, spiritual readings, etc. gives direct and clear feedback.

In the field of furniture making, people are (hopefully) trained to make furniture. But with New Age healing, there’s no limit, no standards. Brilliant people with real skills are out there. So are brilliant people who confuse brilliance with having skills. Also fourth-rate practitioners who barely have any skills at all, yet consider themselves the equivalent of The Royal Furniture Maker.

If the only people who made casual diagnoses and then moved on were the first-rate practitioners, this behavior would still seem ethically shoddy to me. But it wouldn’t be quite as dangerous for clients.

In our analogy, any semi-competent whittler can hang out a shingle as the equivalent of “Royal Furniture Maker.” This “Have penknife, will travel” furniture repairer of this analogy can freely see clients, charge clients money, advise clients inaccurately. And will gladly take away the client’s self-authority, so the client becomes particularly prone to agree with whatever that practitioner says.

Unlike craftspersons who repair physical objects, mind-body-spirit practitioners can ooch over into fields where they have no training whatsoever, like a Reiki practitioner telling my client “Oh, how cute, you have an astral entity living inside your aura.”

Having fun with analogies, this is like an expert at making stained glass windows telling a customer, “Sure, I’ll refinish your desk.” And that expert really has no clue at all about how to do a professional job.

Or that the desk even needs refinishing.

7. Desks don’t seek Enlightenment

Or is this just true for the furniture around my house? Tell me it ain’t so.

If Daphne (the desk) slows down her evolution? No big deal.

But if that happens to you or me, and it happens because somebody gave us really rotten advice, that is a big deal.

What if you have spent years being “fixed” by people who lacked the skills they claimed to have? Now that is really a great big problem. Also an ethical problem for every single person who contributed to that mess.

Conclusion, for now, anyway

Ethics really do matter. They matter in everything New Age, just like everything outside of New Age.

In terms of ethics with healing cords of attachment, this blog contains many true stories of people with a real specialty in one area of healing who take it upon themselves to “cut cords” when they don’t have quality skills. Or standards. Or much knowledge at all.

At least as shocking to me, some New Age healers lack interest in developing knowledge or standards or quality skills. I think of a colleague who had zero interest in hearing any ideas about cutting cords of attachment, something she claimed to do for paying clients. “Gladys” is a superb yoga teacher and regression therapist. I used to have the highest respect for her.

Then I referred a client to Gladys. Later that regression therapy client recounted what had been done to, supposedly, cut a cord of attachment.

My respect didn’t end the day this client reported on the terrible work with cord cutting. It happened when I tried to discuss the topic with Gladys, speaking in the friendliest way I could, as one professional to another, given a friendship that went back for 15 years. Gladys sneered and told me, “Rose, you’re too rigid about cutting cords of attachment.”

At this blog, we have had a rather controversial dialogue with a talented, confident young practitioner of a healing modality who posted an article at a major website about the alleged “dangers” of having cords of attachment cut because of all the possible “psychic attack.”

Primrose, I can only hope that, in that furniture field, you only face problems that are supposed to be related to your field. I hope you never have to deal with situations like this. I sure didn’t like calling this woman on her article.

A teacher and healer publicly criticizing another teacher and healer? Ugh, I can only imagine the “I hate you. But blessings and xxxxx and namaaste” potential.

In case you’re wondering, Blog-Buddies, it felt bad to me, personally, writing that post.

But the alternative, doing nothing, felt even worse. Christina’s post had a high search engine standing. Unlike most of my work, I might add… for empaths, for face reading, etc. At this point in my career, I spend zero time on search engine optimization, etc. Here was a well-publicized article, and one that upset a Blog-Buddy so much that she emailed me to ask if what Christina wrote could be true?

So I did the best job I could, writing the clearest blog post possible. I made sure to contact Christina. I gave her a chance to respond as much as she wanted, and put it directly onto my blog. (Because I do care very much about ethics. And ethics are, like it or not, situational.)

Uncomfortable though it felt, and perhaps unnecessary from the perspective of Primrose and others who form part of this blog community, I felt strongly called to do this. I felt it important to clarify what is and isn’t involved in cutting cords of attachment. My concern with Christina’s article was that many people could be discouraged forever from cutting cords, out of fear of “horrible psychic attack.” What a loss!

As that thread developed, I learned from other Blog-Buddies that in martial arts, there is some history of people doing all they can to attack others. But that part of Christina’s background still isn’t pertinent to the rather gentle, and absolutely safe, art of cutting cords of attachment.

Done properly, by any valid method (not just mine), by any ethical and skilled practitioner (not just me), there simply is no danger.

That’s right. There is no fearsome danger of being attacked by receiving, or giving yourself, this very practical kind of healing. So warning people about this is, come to think of it, a perfect example of misguided or unethical behavior from a New Age practitioner.

Maybe Daphne the Desk wouldn’t have worried. But I sure did.

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  1. 1
    Jordan says:

    Rose, about that “avatar kid”, Tathagat Avatar Tulsi — I’m fairly sure his parents chose the middle name “Avatar”, and that he never claimed to actually be one… or enlightened, for that matter.

    His claim to fame is holding the Guinness World Record for having been “The World’s Youngest Post-Graduate.” He’s looked up to for his academic achievements, not spiritual.

    I’d never heard of him before someone proposed him for the list, just thought I’d set the record straight.

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    Jordan says:

    I don’t mean to be annoying and nitpicky, really! lol… but I am just so curious, I can’t help asking. Did you mean to say Josh Groban?

    If so, I think he’ll be the youngest person on the list, at 29.

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    Kate says:

    How about “Daphne, this is the result of your not putting a coat of varnish on yourself every six months! Why haven’t you been dusting yourself everyday? So, no one told you; well you are responsible for the condition you’re in. What are you going to do now? By the way, you have termites and wood rot….and the house you live in is going to be bulldozed at any time in the next two months. See how much I know? There, I just sprayed a mist of lavender oil on you. That will cost the equivalent of two days of your wages.”

    “The session today will cost the equivalent of a week’s wages. You must have been an ugly bench at some point in the past. What are you going to do to raise your vibration now?”

    Before I found Rose on the internet (yes, the internet can be a lifesaver), I went to a local healer who “cut” six cords of attachment from my abdomen by waving around a ceremonial knife with a gem-stoned handle and a feather hanging off of it. The deep hope of my earlier years of looking for help was gone but in no way was I ready to confront anyone. The doubt, skepticism and disappointment must have shown. She assured me that everyone on the planet is assisting in the ascension now, “even charlatans” who mean well. Huh?

    I really don’t want to participate at that level though. I expect value and effectiveness for my resources and efforts.

    Oh, and I’ve been told that my vibration must be such that I attracted those kinds of situations as a client. How is that helpful and of value?

    I’m looking forward to the day when the “almost anything goes” atmosphere of the healing/metaphysical/new age world develops some standards and way more ethics. Countless people have been made to feel they are hopeless and doing something wrong.

    In case anyone is wondering why I don’t do more to help change all this; I’m also aware of changes that need to be made in agriculture, the legal system, the educational system, etc. Since I still have so much “stuff” in my aura and lots of social and other skills to learn, I’d best be paying attention to my own life and choices first.

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    C. M. Mayo says:

    Thanks, Rose, you know I’m a fan. It occurs to me that yet another analogy would be writing workshop leaders / literary agents / editors. Time and again writers give their power over to others and end up grievously injured.

    Of course there are many highly competent workshop leaders, editors, and literary agents –and if a writer finds them, and can be open to their help, appreciating it when it comes, what splendid luck!

    I do know of many very good ones. That said, II know of more lousy ones whose arrogance and cruelty to writers is (good guess here) a cover for their own feelings of inadequacy.

    They might say “You don’t have what it takes” or “no one will publish that”— but really, what do they know about what can happen tomorrow? New writers looking for help with their writing and their career need to be open to help but at the same time, very circumspect, very alert to their own intuition.

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    JORDAN, thanks so much for both your comments. I apologize to young Avatar guy for my assumption about spiritual bragging.

    But whoever put up his website sure did suggest something great about the guy by having both the name “Avatar” and “The World’s Youngest Post-Graduate.”

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    Annoying, Jordan, about Josh Groban? Not a bit. You deserve a psychic point or something, since I got both his names completely wrong in the post.

    I have gone back and fixed it. LOLOLOL

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    Suzanne says:

    Hear hear, Rose!

    This whole issue reminds me of an article I read by an astrologer once, who said that she thinks it is unethical to tell clients in one fell swoop about all of their issues.

    What she does is to find out what concerns the client has, and then she tells them only about the aspects that symbolize those issues. Because an astrology chart represents a lifetime of issues, and how fair is it to clobber your client over the head with every one of them, at the beginning of that client’s journey to self awareness?

    It makes sense to me.

    Once a very excellent orthobionomist (this is a unique type of bodywork) told me that the two halves of my body are not energetically connected. Now, she was saying this in the expectation that I would come back for a number of sessions, which I certainly would have done if I could have afforded it.

    But I couldn’t and, in fact, I’ve never quite forgotten what she said. In hindsight, I wish she had not told me about that unless she was intending to heal it in that session (if indeed it is a problem I have!)

    It is true that the whole field of holistic healing/spiritual healing is something that most clients have no knowledge of, and hence are likely to be gullible.

    Before I began having aura healing (cord cutting) sessions with you, I once read one of those quickie methods for how to visualize cutting a cord. I did this again and again, wanting to cut the cord to one of my exes. It felt good to visualize that, but in terms of real life effects there were not any.

    When you cut the cord to that ex (which surprise, surprise) was still there, there were no doubts about the result.

    When you told me all of the dynamics that were in the cord (one of which involved my feeling like a phony for being in the relationship when I did not love him) it was a dead-on description of what that relationship was like for me.

    And once the cord was cut, there were real life immediate results. I stopped feeling like a phony at my job! There were wide-ranging results, which I could not ever have predicted, from cutting that cord.

    It makes me sad that so many people think they know what cord cutting is, and what it can do, because I know they have no real idea of how powerful it can be.

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    Primrose says:

    Furniture has feelings too 😉 and so do the people who own it, which is why restorers have very clear guidelines about what they can and can’t do. No point taking on a very expensive antique if you’re not highly trained and confident about adding value to it. So I guess not so different from helping people in a way.

    I’m not anti ethics, well I’m sure that’s obvious! But this thing about diagnosing without being able to offer help? I still don’t see what’s wrong with that. And I’m now two blog posts in so I think I’m not going to get it!

    Probably that’s also because I think most healers are charlatans anyway, so suggesting ethics for a bunch of people who are scammers seems a bit like demanding everyone agree to call the sides of the ship port and starboard when there’s no chance she can sail anyway because the crew have sold her for scrap. I think it’s most likely only healers like Rose who have any qualms about ethics.

    I wouldn’t expect someone with a whole heap of unresolved issues to be able to help me in any way. Being told something outlandish by some car boot psychic would be bizarre to me, not scary or traumatic. Maybe that’s the problem here for me actually. I don’t respect many of the New Age practitioners enough to take what they say with any degree of seriousness, or to think that they’re deserving of a code of conduct.

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    C.M., I’m a fan of yours, too.

    You’re so right in your Comment 4. Here’s the simplest way I can agree with you. In my career, I have had 34! literary agents before finding Deanna Leah of HBG Productions.

    One of my agents embezzled over $30,000. Others were merely incompetent, rude, etc.

    Okay, here is something else too good not to share. You may know that I write book reviews for Pathways Magazine. From time to time, I’m contacted for reviews and have a request that I receive ONLY a press release. That I don’t take phone calls. That after I approve a press release, then I will request a precious reading copy as a possible candidate for review.

    Today, Joe from the “Acme Publicity Company” sent me this email:

    “We’re a PR firm specializing in body/mind/spirit for 20+ years. We did all the marketing of xyz and hundreds of other books, films, music, etc.

    “Would you please send me your address and phone number so we can send you DVDs, CDs, books, etc. for consideration? We can’t email first to check; it’s totally outside our business flow.

    “Please feel free to call me.”

    Here is what I wrote back, to him, C.M.:

    “How sad for your clients that your “business flow” includes throwing away money from your clients. If you can’t represent them by taking the time to send a quick press release, I recommend that you copy every single one of them on this email exchange.

    “I review books, and I’m one of the few bona fide book reviewers in the country. And you can’t be bothered to represent your clients by sending an email?”

    This might sound as though I have attitude but any writer who has ever paid a publicist who tossed out review copies like salted peanuts or been shafted by a publishing company will understand, right?

  10. 10

    KATE, SUZANNE, PRIMROSE, thanks to all of you for keeping this conversation heartfelt and meaningful.

  11. 11

    What an inspired, magnificent idea!

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    Lisa says:

    I appreciate this post, but I still don’t see the problem with telling someone that “Hey, there is a problem that I am seeing, based on the skills I have, but I don’t know exactly how to fix it. It seems that it affects you in this particular way, but I am not sure.”

    A doctor could tell me this about a health condition and it would still be up to me to resolve it on my own by finding someone that could help me with that.

    Or I can call bull crap and think that the healer is wrong. My choice.

    I had a healer that did just that (she actually told me something similar to what was told to Suzanne), but helped me the best that she could, but she could still see that it was affecting me.

    I found out years later big time, that she was right and decided to find someone who could help me.

    I, like Primerose, don’t think that every healer knows everything about how to heal you in all ways, but if they think that I am sane, can be responsible for my own healing, I would like for them to tell me what their perception is. I also don’t think that there is always only one way to do something, like your colleague mentioned to you.

    But that is just me. I’m one of those people who is interested in thinking things through, gaining knowledge about something in order to find the proper way to fix it.

    At the end of the day, only I am responsible for my life. Yes, a reading isn’t a healing, but an accurate one will provide you with enough info to go about resolving it, whether it be learning a social skill, seeing a doctor or choosing healers to help resolve it.

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    LISA, I’ll share my perspective although you may never agree with me. I’m trying to save you, and other Blog-Buddies, some grief, that’s all.

    You have given a fine theoretical answer. I have worked professionally in New Age for four decades and counting. That doesn’t mean I know everything — as we both know 😉 — but I have seen the consequences of your logical position.

    So here follow some observations for your consideration:

    1. Being responsible for your life, you are clearly intelligent. But you will only be in a position to intelligently evaluate a problem named by a healer if you have done the responsible thing about learning full skills of energetic literacy and also educating yourself about what is being described.

    2. Otherwise, you are not in a good position to understand and evaluate problems with STUFF in an aura. For this reason:

    3. Some people develop energy hypochondria and worry like crazy. This can be especially unfortunate because, given the state of the art of New Age, many practitioners are, with all respect, WRONG in their evaluations of astral-level debris.

    4. Other people (I’m guessing YOU fit into this category, LISA, based on what you wrote here) do the opposite extreme. You don’t really understand the seriousness of what is described. Because if you did you sure wouldn’t toy with the idea for a week, let alone several years. You would justifiably become very, very concerned.

    Instead, thinking without gauging seriousness, of course people in this category would incur the “big time” drama you referred to.

    Personally, I view Energy Spirituality as a way to avoid unnecessary, painful drama in life.

    5. I have noticed a tendency for people who pride themselves on thinking things through, do-it-yourselfing through the intellect, that this works fine for many areas of life (including consulting a physician, doing 12-Step Programs, etc.) but it has zero effect on moving out astral-level debris. So people can spend years toying with the diagnosis of a healer, not fixing a thing but thinking they have.

    Remember, LISA, this is not just some hypothetical possibility. I work with real-live clients, who cry real-live tears and have real-life clocks ticking by as life involves loads of unnecessary suffering.

    I have met many, many bright people who did exactly what you described doing for years. It’s a kind of learning here on earth, no question. But, from my perspective, it’s sad.

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    One more point to consider here, LISA, is that even your professional (or amateur) healer may not have done enough “thinking things through, gaining knowledge” in order to have real competence in the area being discussed.

    The New Age marketplace is flooded with practitioners who have skills in one area, like Reiki or E.F.T. or doing work with angels. Then those practitioners spend little or no time gaining real competence in an area like healing astral entities or removing cords of attachment. Yet feel free to opine, warn, etc.

    Sure, there is knowledge of one specialty. Otherwise, these practitioners don’t really know. They don’t care to know. They may (or may not) really care a lot about clients, either.

    Ever wonder why Practitioner Pete would warn a client about astral-debris this or that? He may be trying to impress a client. He may be reacting to a very inaccurate perception, filtered through distorted or superficial knowledge. He may be clairvoyant and confuse that with omniscience.

    Who knows, really? Certainly not Pete’s client.

    This becomes a particularly troubling mix when opinions are added in about problems on the level of a client’s aura.

    Doctors DO have specialties and professional standards within their specialties. New Age healers don’t yet. Just recently, GLADYS came to me full of enthusiasm because her healer had cut “several cords of attachment” to Joe, Gladys’s friend.

    “I know you don’t think there is such a thing,” Gladys said.

    That’s an understatement. Given the expertise I have developed in this area since 1986 (and continue to develop), I’m convinced there IS no such thing. Period.

    This isn’t like being an Episcopalian who has ideas that cause her to prefer High Church to Low Church. This is like being incredulous when someone hands me an orange and calls it “an apple.”

    I can think offhand about five different possibilities that really were going on between Gladys and her oh-so-helpful healer. None of which possibilities involved her really having multiple cords of attachment to Joe.

    If Gladys had gone to 20 different healers over this problem, she could have found 20 different nuances among healers competent to work in this area. These healers would have used accurate skills of energetic literacy, could have employed a variety of techniques. (I have a dear friend and colleague, “Josephine,” for instance. She uses an entirely different method to cut cords of attachment, not Rose Rosetree’s 12 Steps to Cut Cords of Attachment(R). No biggie. Josephine’s work is great.)

    The point is, all these healers could have done things differently but, if they were competent at this type of healing, NONE of them would have told Gladys, “You have multiple cords of attachment to Joe.”

    In our unregulated, Wild West, kind of a New Age scene, even skilled healers disagree. No wonder other healers — lovely in some ways but perhaps lacking skill in healing absolutely everything that can go wrong with an aura — can be free with their opinions and diagnoses without really helping a client at all.

    YOU, LISA, may be just fine with having healers and psychics tell you whatever they wish, but I’m not. And I don’t believe most of my ethical colleages are fine with that, either.

    Many of us are giving our lives to healing and teaching. It makes things harder for our whole New Age community to lower standards of accountability further than ever.


    Those of you Blog-Buddies who do work professionally with clients, maybe it is time for you to add your perspective here. Do YOU think it’s just fine to tell clients about astral-level problems without moving a finger to fix them?

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    Primrose says:

    Pfff, astral debris… I guess I’ll keep reading and casting a weary eye over all of this. I cry real tears too and have healed all sorts of things in my life, but so far it’s all been about childhood, and it’s only gone back to my womb life. That’s not for want of self-reflection or sensitivity to what I truly feel. Am I missing a trick here about astral whatnot and not properly understanding something very serious? Well. Time will tell. So far I have no experience of anything like that and it all sounds like guff. I’d like to know if I really am not getting something serious though so I’ll keep reading.

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    Lisa says:

    Thanks for your thoughtful responses, Rose. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

    You said here:Other people (I’m guessing YOU fit into this category, LISA, based on what you wrote here) do the opposite extreme. You don’t really understand the seriousness of what is described. Because if you did you sure wouldn’t toy with the idea for a week, let alone several years. You would justifiably become very, very concerned.

    Instead, thinking without gauging seriousness, of course people in this category would incur the “big time” drama you referred to.

    If I didn’t take it seriously or become concerned, I would totally ignore the interaction, as if it never happened. What would you expect a concerned person to do? My “toying” with the situation helped me to eventually resolve it. I took it as seriously as I could at that time without becoming a hypochondriac filled with fear calling every healer on the internet to help me. And, if she didn’t tell me, I would be totally clueless about it anyway. Her information helped me narrow down my choices as I explored who could help me with this…while still going on with my life.

    I was blessed in that the second healer I choose (based on intuition and the logic of how they heal and what the healer told me about the condition in the past) took care of it TOTALLY. But if the healer didn’t tell me anything and I had no logical inkling of what was going on, I would have no simply have no clue…and would be diagnosing all kinds of random things and calling every healer and their mother. I believe one situation is better to be in than another.

    Quite simply, her information helped me cut to the chase.

    I don’t regret that my symptoms got worse because I know deep down everything can be healed. And now I know logically and know with experience what this condition can do to someone.

    Of course, each healer is not obligated to tell me more than what I originally came to visit them for as it is their right.

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    Gladys says:

    Lisa, Rose, and Primrose,

    This is what came to mind when I read this discussion and before I read Rose’s response (bearing in mind I now cut cords of attachment the Energy Spirituality way)…

    A few years ago, I trained in a modality that removed astral level debris and cut cords for people (among other things). It was actually pretty ‘hit-and-miss’ (mainly because the cord cutting method was asking Archangel Michael to cut all your cords.)

    As for results… I was used to a few clients coming back to me having felt like the session really moved out “stuff” for them and others who felt it was useless. Some people felt lighter, but somehow it didn’t reduce their human suffering. So for me, by that point, spiritual healing had become some abstract thing that somehow made your energy field clearer; but you weren’t sure what the concrete benefits were because you didn’t feel all that different.

    I think that many people feel the same way about spiritual healing because it often doesn’t help people in a permanent or real way.

    So when Rose cut a cord for me in our first session, I was highly skeptical (even though I work as a psychic and am a very open person.) I suspected it might be a waste of my time.

    I don’t think I sat up and took notice until after a few cord cutting sessions. I was suffering less, and life was getting better – emotionally and also objectively (as in, I was being more effective and productive and came across as more confident.)

    And it wasn’t hit and miss, or temporary like so many other modalities I’d tried. I think I had my first session a while ago (18 months ago?) and the effects are still ongoing.

    In my experience, cutting cords and removing astral level debris = less emotional suffering + coming into more of who you are.

    Until you’ve experienced that yourself or have seen clients experience it and seen how it can actually change lives in a concrete way, I think it can be hard to actually take it seriously because it can sound so abstract or “out there.”

    Those are my thoughts anyway, mostly in response to what Primrose wrote.

    In response to what Lisa wrote, I have to agree with Rose. In theory it sounds fine to tell clients about “something that I don’t know how to heal or don’t have time to heal with them in the session we’re in. People can deal with it, as it’s their problem, right?”

    I’m not so sure. In practice, I’ve seen it can be a real downer for clients.

    I have done it myself and I’ve had it done to me, and it’s never been helpful.

    I was told I was doing some very negative things in a parallel lifetime and I could expect to have some really horrible karma to deal with as a result later on.

    I asked if we could clear it and I was told no, basically I’d have to just deal with it later on. This might sound silly but I cried for three days. Emotionally I felt I was in a really vulnerable, tender place — which was why I was getting the healing session.

    I find that some clients who come for these sessions can sometimes feel a bit fragile. Maybe they have just left a relationship or have other stuff going on in their lives that is tough.

    I would never add to their troubles by telling them about all the cords of attachment they have ever formed or about some other problem that I can see. But I would suggest another session to them if I think they would benefit.

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    Gladys says:

    I think what I’m trying to say with my comment above is that it can be easy to trivialize the problems that show up in someone’s aura until we see and experience that they cause suffering.

    I think telling a client they have a problem and then leaving them to it is a bit mean because it’s not honouring or recognizing the suffering and difficulties that problem is causing the client. It’s a bit like saying “Ooh, you have a lot of green in your aura at the moment.” But that’s a nice observation.

    On the other hand, “I can see that you’re sharing your energy with an entity that’s popping in and out of your aura and possessing you” is not something anyone wants to be told unless help is on hand right away!!

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    Grace says:

    I think that talk of astral debris can sound a bit out there until/unless a person experiences what I can only describe as a quality healing technique, such as cutting cords of attachment effectively, which for me means using Rose’s technique.

    It can all be quite abstract ’till one experiences the profound difference having a cord cut and learning how to do it oneself can make in one’s life.

    I think that going to the types of healers Rose has described above, i.e., those with training in one modality, little to no quality control, etc., might seem fine to some of the people who go to them. But I believe that having a session with a truly skilled healer with high quality control and feeling the effects is, most likely, the only way to really “get” that it does make a big difference to go to someone really skilled.

    Sometimes I feel so sad about friends who are clearly suffering in one way or another, who very likely have some major cords, and who take no interest in trying out having this kind of healing done.

    Honestly, it’s hard for me at this stage to understand why that is, but it always brings me back to this feeling of “If they could only feel these amazing effects, they’d try it in a heartbeat!”

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    Carol says:

    Primrose, I love you! I relate to your skepticism and curiosity at the same time.

    I have spiritual gifts that I grew up with and have just always been there, so it didn’t even occur to me to question anything about them. I sometimes questioned my own sanity because I could see that most people did not experience these things as I got older.

    But, I also have a very practical, scientific side to me that likes to see proofs and hard evidence. I was a nurse, and always loved science.

    I have always shied away from “New Age” stuff because I was embarrassed to be seen with any woo-woo stuff. So, I stayed mostly in the safe Christian, Buddhist and Hindu practices.

    All of these practices served me very well, but none of them has been totally effective in clearing all the pain and accumulated STUFF over the last 60 years of my life.

    When I ran across one of Rose’s books about Face Reading I so resonated with her underlying compassion and philosophy that I ordered all of the books she currently had in print earlier this year.

    The more I read the more I liked, and grew to trust Rose’s integrity and skills. I finally got up the nerve to ask for an appointment.

    For the couple of weeks before that first appointment I cried, sweated and vacillated all over the place with doubts and fear. Doubts about whether this, after all that I had previously done, including E.F.T. and counseling, would really work. Fear that she would look at my aura and just throw up in disgust.

    I felt naked, vulnerable and desperately in need of healing, and that was all that kept me in the game and present at that first session of Aura Healing and Transformation. I was skeptical but hopeful.

    Hey, it was only a fraction of the money I had already spent on counseling and all the training in E.F.T., and an hour of my time. Oh, and the willingness to be vulnerable and naked to another human being that I only “knew” through her books.

    Primrose, I am here to tell you that at the age of 60 and being in the science-based healing arts for all my adult life, that first session of Cutting a Cord of Attachment was the true beginning of my deep healing of wounds that go back to my childhood.

    I have had several Aura Healing Sessions with Rose now, and I can only marvel at how easily, painlessly, completely, deeply and permanently the healing is progressing. The fog lifts more and more. I have a clarity and sense of empowerment and confidence I have not had in decades, and it just keeps getting better and better.

    I had always been skeptical about astral-level “STUFF”, too. But, I am definitely experiencing the effects of clearing that “STUFF” from my aura. If anything, my former skepticism makes the effects of the healing I am experiencing that much more surprisingly delightful for me. I love being proven wrong in such a positively powerful way.

    Hang on to your scepticism but give these techniques a try, if only out of curiosity. It won’t work to just read about it. You have to jump in and swim — but just once will be enough to convince you, I am sure. I am also sure that Rose is one of the best choices to do that with because I know from experience she is highly skilled, ethical, and nurturing.

    Fortunately, my skepticism has saved me from having some of the horrific experiences many are writing about in this blog.

    I had to respond to my sister in skepticism on this.

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    primrose says:

    Thanks Anna. I am sure you’re right that without experiencing the removal if astral debris, its impossible to evaluate if it’s useful or not. I really love body work and have had incredible sessions where I’ve felt myself release all sorts of stored trauma. I’ve had energy healing and felt the changes in myself happen quickly and effortlessly. I’m open to all of that, but phew, am I hostile to the idea of spiritual entities. I think I’m just going to have to re-frame the wording, and accept that what I may call stored trauma, a healer might call possession. I am not anti healing at all. So if people heal and say it’s from astral entities, why should I care? If the method works, what does it matter? I think I am still too attached to wanting people I respect to think like me. Mostly, I don’t mind if others don’t share my beliefs, but when something seems bonkers to me, I guess I still struggle when people I admire don’t also think it’s bonkers. Actually, it’s helpful for me to notice all of this. It means I have some feeling about people on this blog. If I didn’t respect anyone here, I wouldn’t care at all what people thought about astral stuff.

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    primrose says:

    Carol, thank you for your lovely post! I found this blog because despite doing therapy and 12 step and working deeply on myself, it wasn’t enough. I had to look at cord cutting, and that was because I knew that I needed to do energetic work. I just had that sense. I’m drawn to energy work despite myself! And Rose’s empath book really nailed it for me because she clearly had knowledge I didn’t and it was incredibly useful knowledge. So.. I’m sceptical, but I’m also keeping my foot wedged in the door of my quick-to-close mind. Glad to know I’m not alone 🙂

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    Suzanne says:

    Anna and Carol I love your comments here and highly second them. It is so true, until you have actually experienced the benefits of cord cutting/aura healing sessions it is all abstract.

    There are so many healing modalities where you feel good for about an hour and a half after experiencing a session…and then you are back to life as usual. Whereas cord cutting sessions make a concrete difference in your life. I’ve had 13 such sessions now, I know! And it is really hard to explain it to anyone who has not experienced it because they are thinking about the kind of experience/ results that talk therapy or reiki or tarot readings bring…which however valuable are very different.

    It drives me a little nuts because I wish that everyone could experience cord-cutting sessions but I know that most of my friends would never even consider it either because of the cost or because it seems too “out there.” (About cost–what I have found is that when healing sessions are effective you need a lot less of them. I pay for one session a month and find that highly transformative and not that
    expensive.)

    I am also a deeply skeptical person Primrose. I’m willing to try any modality of healing but I reserve my judgment as to it’s benefit! I can tell you that for my first few sessions with Rose I remained highly skeptical. Which is funny because I was definitely experiencing a lot of changes as a result of those sessions.

    After a year of sessions it is fairly undeniable that cord cutting has been life-changing for me. My life is better both objectively and subjectively. Like Anna said, I am suffering A LOT less. And as Carol said, the fog has lifted.

    There are so many things about our internal states that we take for granted. I used to live with a high level of brain fog, confusion, ambivalence, and internal pessimism/negativity. The thing is, until it was gone I did not realize it had been there.

    So, my advice is, be skeptical but try it anyway 🙂 Because there are some things you just have to experience to understand.

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    primrose says:

    Hey Suzanne, I’m not sceptical about cord cutting. Even though I probably did a rum job of it when I attempted it myself, I felt healing from it. I cried a lot letting go of the cord. Rose’s book about cord cutting is the next one on my list now my empath book is looking a bit dog eared. It’s the astral stuff that makes me sceptical. Energy healing I can understand because I feel it work.

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