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Enlightenment or Awakening? An Enlightenment Coach looks at PRIMMIE's gorgeous experience, Part 2


Awakened or Enlightened?

Awakened or Enlightened?

Thanks to Blog-Buddy PRIMMIE, here’s a rare opportunity to compare and contrast what self-actualization means. Let’s conclude this series of articles with examples to help illustrate the difference between Spiritual Awakening and Spiritual Enlightenment  (a.k.a. Householder Enlightenment).

Comment #51 by PRIMMIE sure caught my attention at Moving into Enlightenment, My Story. A guest post by SANDRA HAERING:

“I don’t know if atheists are very honest, but I do think I could never follow something that didn’t feel right, so I would have to wait around for a very clear connection to God. It would have to be a strong thunk on the head sort of experience. Other people talking about a thing, however lovely, hasn’t ever made me feel one drop of belief…

“It is very funny to me that I’ve overnight given up the idea of being an atheist and seen that it is simply a concept. How I’ve loved being an atheist. Now it just doesn’t matter. Feeling Divine dismantles things with ease.”

As PRIMMIE noted elsewhere while commenting recently at SANDRA’s beautiful guest post:

“I’m not sure when I found this site, over 5 years ago. I remember reading about Enlightenment and thinking it was something I wasn’t remotely interested in. Now I love reading about it. It makes me very happy because it seems to me to be a call to self and makes such sense and is beautiful.”

My bolding at PRIMMIE’s comment, Blog-Buddies. If you look back over the years, you will find many posts displaying a very here-and-now perspective, like this one commenting at a post in 20111 about How are psychic readings different from energetic literacy?

“I’m interested in removing stuff and that’s it really. I’m here because I think I shouldn’t close my mind to the possibility that STUFF can be removed through spiritual healing as well as psychological healing. I’m also an empath and have found that the spiritual approach to becoming a skilled empath works.”

Psychological Healing Doesn’t Necessarily Bring Spiritual Awakening

That’s the gist of PRIMMIE’s comment, just quoted. Well, I couldn’t agree more.

This is not to knock 12-Step Programs or other forms of psychological healing, self-honesty, recovery from addiction, and more. It is not to knock substance abuse programs, or professional skills at recovery. (Although some of you Blog-Buddies may have seen a rather detailed article here about types of STUFF never touched by all the expensive, first-rate recovery work done by the late actor, Philip Seymour Hoffman, 10 Types of Stuff Related to Heroin, Pot, Cocaine and Other Drugs .)

Back at our recent blog conversation in early March, PRIMMIE also wrote:

“I think I may be close to Enlightenment. There I’ve written it. I could be wrong of course. It’s just that the stages make sense of my recent experiences. I feel calm these days and it’s come out of the blue at a time of immense personal sadness.

“I feel so quiet and calm inside. No bells or whistles or bliss or anything, just a quiet inside and I’m looking out through my eyes and feelings arise and words arise and life goes on as normal, but internally I am still. It’s completely new for me.”

 I offered to do a one-time free service for Blog-Buddies, where you can email me your photo and I will give you a quick yes or no, just like for the Enlightenment Life List here at the blog. Free, yes. But you only get one submission per incarnation. 😉

So PRIMMIE commented back:

“I think I’m approaching it but am not yet Enlightened. Well I never thought I’d be having this kind of discussion on the blog, but I am.

“I walked out this morning onto a quiet street and inside I was quiet and the world was quiet. Everything was the same and it was just so lovely.

“I realised today that the idea of being an atheist is utterly meaningless.

I am silence, I am life.

“There isn’t anything external to believe in or not believe in.

“Which is quite funny as last Sunday I was saying to people I know in a spiritual community “Well, I’ve been around this community for years now and I’m still an atheist, I doubt that will ever change”. A week later that seems like a lifetime ago.”

Why Not Do a Post on Atheism?

After the idea struck, PRIMMIE graciously agreed. Busy though she is, she responded very rapidly with the gorgeous guest post on atheism I finally got around to making live recently, as we sometimes gather quite a backlog of postable articles. I LOVE Atheism, a guest post by PRIMMIE, Now an Ex-Atheist

Now for a bit of inside information about this, just because PRIMMIE graciously allowed me to share her educational process.

PRIMMIE did not include a picture of herself when submitting the guest post, so I asked her for one.

Receiving it, I researched her for Enlightenment. Emailing her back, I thanked her for the photo and broke the not-that-great news:

“P.S. Not to be crude or rude, but I did check out about Enlightened. Not yet. You have had a lot of spiritual awakening, though, which is a step on the path. As you can tell, this path be fun!”

PRIMMIE responded:

“Oh, sadly, I’m far from Enlightenment. The beautiful bubble of God has passed, although I’ve been left with knowing I can never call myself an Atheist again. I guess that feeling was so new it was blissful. Nice to know I’m on the path though.”

Why Enlightenment Coaching Can Be Useful

Understanding and validation are so important on a person’s path to Enlightenment. This is one example of the limits of self-authority, even though I am a huge fan of self-authority for almost everything. But self-authority needs to be supplemented by skill and appropriate knowledge of a particular field.  Otherwise a person can get so discouraged!

I dropped everything to write PRIMMIE back:

As for your shift to experience, here’s an alternative to the bubble, and broken-bubble, analogy.

Ever fly in a plane? Then you feel the takeoff. Once in the air, you don’t even feel like you’re moving. That hardly means no progress, just not the initial contrast being experienced  now.

In case you’re wondering, Blog-Buddies, I didn’t invent that airplane analogy. My model here was Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who taught me so much about Enlightenment Coaching during the decades that my life revolved around his Transcendental Meditation Program(R).

In many respects, with all respect, I have chosen not to follow his example. Including delineating the concepts of Householder Enlightenment and Human-Based Spirituality.

However, I am grateful to Maharishi every time the knowledge I gained from him does prove helpful for sharing with one of my students.

(Students, never ever “followers” or “disciples” as with a guru. If you like the work of this teacher as an Enlightenment Coach, let your friends know. And, perhaps, even go onto the website with the one interview I have given so far as an Enlightenment Coach and vote for it as one you recommend to others.)

Back at PRIMMIE and her own coaching process, she emailed me back:

“I really like the plane analogy, thank you!”

So that’s the back story about PRIMMIE’s guest post about graduating from atheism.

Okay, One Last Sweet Little Part of this Story

What, Blog-Buddies, you’re still reading? Awwwwwwww, sweet!

Well, I had the idea of doing the follow-up blog post where this is Part 2. Of course, it was important to ask permission and then send both articles in advance.

PRIMMIE consented immediately. When I sent her Part 1,  on receipt, she wrote this dear set of words:

“Thanks so much Rose, will go and have a look at that now. Yes, I’m happy for you to use our conversation in any way that you want.

“Mostly I was so elated to have found God and as I have never had an experience like that before it is without doubt the sweetest spiritual experience I’ve had. I think it lasted about 5 days and the gentle contentment was lovely.

“I wasn’t discouraged afterwards, more embarrassed actually! I’d rather not have written about it on the blog but hey, learning’s learning, even when it makes me blush.”

I wrote her back:

“You have always been generous with your sharing at the blog, but spiritual topics can bring up deep and different fears.

 “Actually I know quite a bit about “learning’s learning, even when it makes me blush.” I put myself out there in every blog post, every book, every workshop, every bit of pioneering.

 “I am willing to be a fool for love, and you know a lot about that kind of love now.

 “It’s different from the beauties of Atheist love, isn’t it?”


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  1. 1
    David.. says:

    Thanks for the open sharing, Primmie. When people share their process it makes it more real and normal for others, it shows people they’re not alone, and it gives a sense of the variety of it. All of that breaks peoples barriers to it.

    And Rose, yes, I fully agree on the importance of validation and understanding. A touch-point for me as I didn’t have that for some years.

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    Isabella says:

    Oh, I’ve definitely made myself blush at the blog, many times. I like to think those comments at least helped someone (even if it was just me, haha). I definitely think it’s a kind of service to put yourself out there in situations like this. Way to go, Primmie.

  3. 3
    Primmie says:

    Thanks David, I really appreciate your point of view.

  4. 4
    Primmie says:

    Isabella, the blog blush, I like it! And thank you.

  5. 5
    Primmie says:

    Thank you Rose too for being so generous with your time and experience. I’m very grateful.

  6. 6
    Adam McIntosh says:

    Hi Primmie,

    I think it takes courage to put yourself out there in this way. You have done everyone at this blog a great service, modelling honesty and humility.

    Congratulations on your awakening and finding God.

  7. 7
    Lara says:

    It was really lovely and touching to read this, thank you for sharing this Primmie. I loved the airplane analogy too Rose, so true! And also true how important validation is (though I feel a bit conflicted about that).

  8. 8
    Kira says:

    Primmie, I can so relate! I’m glad you shared; I feel less conspicuous now.

  9. 9
    Kira says:

    Rose, I too like the airplane analogy! I have loved airplane flights (as long as I have a window seat, anyway!) for as long as I can remember.

    For me, the analogy has extra meaning because I never get to the point in an airplane that I don’t feel like I’m moving; since I’m almost constantly looking out of the window (and usually taking pictures), I never entirely lose either the awareness that I’m moving or the euphoria of being airborne. And that’s been my personal spiritual experience as well, so far.

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    Jean says:

    Thank you Primmie.

    I too appreciate and honor your sharing.

    Oh my and the blogblush….oooh yes.

    I concur with Isabella in comment #2….

    Way to go Primmie – and Isabella, Kira, Lara, Adam and David.

  11. 11
    Elaine says:

    Thanks for sharing your experience Primmie. It takes a certain kind of courage to put it all out there. I always feel like there is someone or various someone(s) who need to really see these personal experiences.

  12. 12
    Primmie says:

    Adam, I am very moved that you would write that, thank you.

    Lara, thank you. I found the plane analogy very helpful too.

    Kira, thank you!

    Jean, how funny that others also have blogblush, it makes it much easier to bear knowing that it’s not just me.

    Elaine, thank you.

  13. 13
    Madeline says:

    Primmie I just want to add my appreciation for your willingness to be vulnerable.
    Not to be redundant but the airplane analogy was so awesome.
    So appropriate and encouraging.

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    Jill Erin says:

    Primmie, this is so like the Primmie I have grown to love here. You have always been feisty, sincerely honest, and open with all your communications here. I love that and that is why I was especially drawn to you. It has been such a treat to watch your evolution over the years and this is just a cherry on top of the pudding for me. Thank you, dearest heart, for sharing yourself with all of us.

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    Primmie says:

    Madeline, thank you.

    Jill you are so lovely. I appreciate what you’ve written so much. Thank you.

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